Comments on: Boys water polo: All-tourney team from Villa Park Classic http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/03/boys-water-polo-all-tournament-from-villa-park-classic/67091/ High school sports talk by the staff of the Orange County Register Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:48:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: everyoneisaknowitall http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/03/boys-water-polo-all-tournament-from-villa-park-classic/67091/#comment-43699 everyoneisaknowitall Wed, 07 Oct 2009 05:17:59 +0000 http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/?p=67091#comment-43699 info, i'd agree with you but there is more to it. wpobserver, you were already told by someone else that you are wrong in two posts up. regarding this last one, sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. way off base. sorry, but can't get into specifics on this message board. info, i’d agree with you but there is more to it. wpobserver, you were already told by someone else that you are wrong in two posts up. regarding this last one, sorry but you don’t know what you are talking about. way off base. sorry, but can’t get into specifics on this message board.

]]> By: Info http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/03/boys-water-polo-all-tournament-from-villa-park-classic/67091/#comment-43687 Info Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:29:45 +0000 http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/?p=67091#comment-43687 I would think that most veterans would know how All tourney players are picked. 1st place team gets the most # of picks usually 3, 2nd and 3rd place gets 1 less and down the line. a number of teams will get 1 pick. Coach of the team picks the players. Of course he is going to pick his own. As far as collage coaches seeing kids play. Remember there are thousands of kids and coaches have limited time. So they go to the games that give them the most bang for their buck, tournement championships. This means that players on good teams will be seen more than a great player on a bad team. Advise, your kids have to promote themselfs, call coaches, let them know when and where yhey are playing. I would think that most veterans would know how All tourney players are picked. 1st place team gets the most # of picks usually 3, 2nd and 3rd place gets 1 less and down the line. a number of teams will get 1 pick. Coach of the team picks the players. Of course he is going to pick his own. As far as collage coaches seeing kids play. Remember there are thousands of kids and coaches have limited time. So they go to the games that give them the most bang for their buck, tournement championships. This means that players on good teams will be seen more than a great player on a bad team. Advise, your kids have to promote themselfs, call coaches, let them know when and where yhey are playing.

]]> By: wpobserver http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/03/boys-water-polo-all-tournament-from-villa-park-classic/67091/#comment-43645 wpobserver Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:33:02 +0000 http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/?p=67091#comment-43645 High school proponent- I agree with you inso far as there are coaches like Stoll of El Toro and Carlson of Los Alamitos who also have positions as their respective high schools and are there for the duration. Sure, college coaches are in contact with those guys. But what about the programs who have walk on coaches who may or may not be around in a year or two? College coaches start to hear about players through club play and National Junior Olympics. If those club players end up at good schools with permanent coaches, then you are correct. But there are many more kids who go to their local schools where the coaches aren't as permanent, or the programs not as renowned. For them, club IS more important. High school proponent-
I agree with you inso far as there are coaches like Stoll of El Toro and Carlson of Los Alamitos who also have positions as their respective high schools and are there for the duration. Sure, college coaches are in contact with those guys. But what about the programs who have walk on coaches who may or may not be around in a year or two? College coaches start to hear about players through club play and National Junior Olympics. If those club players end up at good schools with permanent coaches, then you are correct. But there are many more kids who go to their local schools where the coaches aren’t as permanent, or the programs not as renowned. For them, club IS more important.

]]> By: high school proponent http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/03/boys-water-polo-all-tournament-from-villa-park-classic/67091/#comment-43631 high school proponent Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:34:37 +0000 http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/?p=67091#comment-43631 wpobserver You are wrong when you think club water polo is more important than high school. College coaches may not see a lot of high school games, but they are in contact with those coaches far more than club coaches on recruiting. High school is regulated by both CIF SS and NHFS where club is open season without much regulation. It is good for a supplement to high school, but cetainly not the priority. wpobserver
You are wrong when you think club water polo is more important
than high school. College coaches may not see a lot of high
school games, but they are in contact with those coaches far
more than club coaches on recruiting. High school is
regulated by both CIF SS and NHFS where club is open season
without much regulation. It is good for a supplement to high
school, but cetainly not the priority.

]]> By: wpobserver http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/03/boys-water-polo-all-tournament-from-villa-park-classic/67091/#comment-43543 wpobserver Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:26:32 +0000 http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/?p=67091#comment-43543 The comments above go far in explaining the importance of club water polo. Some kids will go to their home schools which may not be the best water polo schools. However, the high school season is relatively short compared to the club season. If a kid is really interested in playing in college they are playing with a club and playing with the best players because there is a good chance that the college coaches will be at venues like JOs as opposed to regular high school games [remember the high school boys' water polo season is at the same time as the college men's season]. The comments above go far in explaining the importance of club water polo. Some kids will go to their home schools which may not be the best water polo schools. However, the high school season is relatively short compared to the club season. If a kid is really interested in playing in college they are playing with a club and playing with the best players because there is a good chance that the college coaches will be at venues like JOs as opposed to regular high school games [remember the high school boys' water polo season is at the same time as the college men's season].

]]> By: wait a minute http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/03/boys-water-polo-all-tournament-from-villa-park-classic/67091/#comment-43497 wait a minute Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:34:02 +0000 http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/?p=67091#comment-43497 Don't be surprised if coaches pick players if other coaches pick their player. And Dan, don't you listen to some (not all) coaches when they ask you to pr this kid and not pr another kid. Wait, doesn't the winning coach get x amount of picks and the rest get fewer. This is not a democratic process. Only some coaches pick. Don’t be surprised if coaches pick players if other coaches pick their player. And Dan, don’t you listen to some (not all) coaches when they ask you to pr this kid and not pr another kid. Wait, doesn’t the winning coach get x amount of picks and the rest get fewer. This is not a democratic process. Only some coaches pick.

]]> By: DAN ALBANO http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/03/boys-water-polo-all-tournament-from-villa-park-classic/67091/#comment-43467 DAN ALBANO Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:42:11 +0000 http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/?p=67091#comment-43467 I should have mentioned Saturday that the all-tourney team was picked by coaches. I will add that to the post. But if were to select an all-tourney team from the VPC, I would have had Lenhart on it - no brainer I should have mentioned Saturday that the all-tourney team was picked by coaches. I will add that to the post.

But if were to select an all-tourney team from the VPC, I would have had Lenhart on it – no brainer

]]> By: waterpolo veteran http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/03/boys-water-polo-all-tournament-from-villa-park-classic/67091/#comment-43451 waterpolo veteran Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:14:47 +0000 http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/?p=67091#comment-43451 I agree with you regarding that a lot of top high school players don't make it in college, it is a whole another world, like a business, but my biggest issue today is that what our we parents teaching our kids when we just focus on winning and not making the team they are on the best, if that was the case maybe Paul Reynolds should transfer when his school is not as strong as they were last year. He is one of the best players in OC and every college will go after him. . Yes Water polo assists in getting into a college but lets keep our eye on the goal to be successful productive adults not all about winning championships, and alot of schools that are not the top 10 programs have very good coaches who have produced All Americans I have seen parents who just look for the best water polo programs and change schools often, like you said crazed parents. and I agree that scoring is only one part of the game I agree with you regarding that a lot of top high school players don’t make it in college, it is a whole another world, like a business, but my biggest issue today is that what our we parents teaching our kids when we just focus on winning and not making the team they are on the best, if that was the case maybe Paul Reynolds should transfer when his school is not as strong as they were last year. He is one of the best players in OC and every college will go after him. . Yes Water polo assists in getting into a college but lets keep our eye on the goal to be successful productive adults not all about winning championships, and alot of schools that are not the top 10 programs have very good coaches who have produced All Americans I have seen parents who just look for the best water polo programs and change schools often, like you said crazed parents. and I agree that scoring is only one part of the game

]]> By: ThinkFirst http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/03/boys-water-polo-all-tournament-from-villa-park-classic/67091/#comment-43417 ThinkFirst Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:31:38 +0000 http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/?p=67091#comment-43417 Players will transfer for just that reason. to get on a team that has a good schedule and a half way decent coach. You have to admire a parent who has a kid that is determined to go to a school that has more invested in water polo. However, the top players in hs don't necessarily have an easy time in college. The top players are all lumped together and the best that adapt will shine. And as far as switching a school rather than be concerned with the education, my take is to get the best of both worlds. The fact is that just because you get recruite to play at college, doesn't mean you will even play, you many even quit after a year or two. Water Polo play in college is what motivates some kids to do well in high school so they will be accepted into a good school. Use water polo in that fashion. Too many parents are crazed and just don't get it. Some hs coaches are asses also. And no, a player who is strong on a week team will not be necessaryily sought out. Stedman is one example of this. He is only a star on Troy and that is just not impressive. The leaderboards are deceiving if you just look at goals scored. Water Polo is much more than scoring. and some parents, albano and kids just don't get it. Players will transfer for just that reason. to get on a team that has a good schedule and a half way decent coach. You have to admire a parent who has a kid that is determined to go to a school that has more invested in water polo. However, the top players in hs don’t necessarily have an easy time in college. The top players are all lumped together and the best that adapt will shine. And as far as switching a school rather than be concerned with the education, my take is to get the best of both worlds. The fact is that just because you get recruite to play at college, doesn’t mean you will even play, you many even quit after a year or two. Water Polo play in college is what motivates some kids to do well in high school so they will be accepted into a good school. Use water polo in that fashion. Too many parents are crazed and just don’t get it. Some hs coaches are asses also. And no, a player who is strong on a week team will not be necessaryily sought out. Stedman is one example of this. He is only a star on Troy and that is just not impressive. The leaderboards are deceiving if you just look at goals scored. Water Polo is much more than scoring. and some parents, albano and kids just don’t get it.

]]> By: waterpolo veteran http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/03/boys-water-polo-all-tournament-from-villa-park-classic/67091/#comment-43405 waterpolo veteran Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:38:59 +0000 http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/?p=67091#comment-43405 There are teams that finished 5th.6th and 7th that had a player named,so it wasn't just the top teams , FYI Esperanza was 8th , RE; think first's comment about moving teams, it seems to be a sad state of our priorites when players are transferring for the water polo program rather than the quality of education, if a player is strong, colleges will seek them out , also in case nobody realizes there is not a large pro water polo circuit unless you are Tony Azevedo There are teams that finished 5th.6th and 7th that had a player named,so it wasn’t just the top teams , FYI Esperanza was 8th , RE; think first’s comment about moving teams, it seems to be a sad state of our priorites when players are transferring for the water polo program rather than the quality of education, if a player is strong, colleges will seek them out , also in case nobody realizes there is not a large pro water polo circuit unless you are Tony Azevedo

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