Fryer's football rankings: Teams 9-10
December 15th, 2008, 3:55 pm · 109 Comments · posted by STEVE FRYER, ocvarsity.com
Here the teams ranked ninth and 10th in Steve Fryer's final football Top 10:
9. Edison (7-3) After Newport Harbor, this was the county's second-best team that did not make the playoffs.
10. Fountain Valley (7-4) The Barons beat some good teams, including Los Alamitos and Newport Harbor.
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It's a shame that Fryer is so biased toward the private schools. Even though I am not a LaHabra parent, I understand how frustrated they feel. Their team actually won the division and yet are placed behind schools that have not made it through the playoffs. That is what happens when one is not honest with facts and lets their emotions alter their judgement.
I think it's pretty sad that La Habra doesn't make your Top 10. Anybody who followed La Habra all season knows that La Habra minus three turnovers while driving for scores beats Los Alamitos and the San Clemente game (San Clemente put up a better fight in the trenches then Los Alamitos) was also a very winable game and came down to the last play.
La Habra minus a few turnovers is undefeated this year with two wins over your vaunted Pac 5 division which many teams in that division are flat out overated. Orange Lutheran 10 Tustin 0. La Habra was also undefeated last year and didn't make your Top 10 as well even though last years team was deeper on both sides of the ball then this years team and was perfect. Why bring up last year? Because where was Fountain Valley last year? Big deal Fountain Valley won a few games in the Sunset League. Our they champions? Have they won back to back Championships twice? When is the last time they ever won a playoff game? If La Habra played in the Sunset League this year Steve what place do you think they would have come in? They could have won the Sunset Leauge as easily as anybody else in that leauge and you know it!
You better stay out of La Habra Fryer, or is it Frier as in Servite!
You must have missed the game Saturday! Ask any player in Tustin, ask any coach in Tustin, better yet ask any chiropractor in Tustin if La Habra is a top ten school! Can somebody please schedule a game against FOUNTAIN VALLEY next year! How many guys can remember the last time Fountain Valley practiced on Thanksgiving instead of playing in the turkey bowl against Westminster on the local Pop Warner field! Come out to La Habra's practice next Thanksgiving Fryer, we'll feed you some stuffing while you watch us prepare for ring#5 !!!!!! HAPPY HOLIDAYS FRIER, FROM DUKE IN TITLE TOWN GO HIGHLANDERS BACK TO BACK CIF CHAMPS!
Where on earth is the Love for Laguna Hills??
Mr. Fryer it saddens me that you dont or wont give the La Habra football program its due I just dont understand your week in and week out top ten can you please take a few minutes to give a good explanation why you dont have La Habra in the final top ten they just won the Southwest taking the toughest road any other Southwest team took to get into the final then basically beat up a opponet that had averaged what 45 50 a game and had you abuzz of how explosive they were cmon La Habra is probably the in the mix for a top five with a good argument and easily withiout an argument in the top ten and you choose to exclude them SHAMEFUL and although we all appreciate the job you do covering the OC you have missed this one without question 23 or 24 and 2 over the past 2 years and you give them no respect thanks for nothing go hang with the Fountain Valley luncheons and get a plate of Servite and enjoy what a shame .
Quit crying LH fans. Why you so caught up in what Fryer says? You won a CIF championship now go away. You are nice little program. If you had managed to beat one of the Pac 5 schools you played, he would have ranked you. LH is not a well known program outside of N. Orange County. The college recruiters, FSW and the papers find you irrelevant. Sad but true.
I think it boils down to no respect for the No. County. He is going on reputation...It still is an insult he did not make La Habra #6 where they belong....Shades of the BCS
Fryer - I actually can't STAND La Habra at all, not even a little bit, but c'mon, as a fellow Freeway league parent, you gotta give these guys their due. I sat in the stands at the Big A and watched the Tustin game (with the Tustin parents) and watched that game go exactly as I thought it would, La Habra wore them down and beat them up. To the La Habra players, don't worry too much about being in the top 10, you did what you had to do and controlled what you could control and you were rewarded with a Championship for it. Way to represent the Freeway league!
want to be fryer waterboy. youve done it again. i know you were amediocre basketballer at amediocre school, but having seen you on the sidelines iknow you have no clue about what it takes to be a good football player, although ill give credit where credit is due, you are a decent talking head. like i siad or recomended before spli your rankings, go with your pac 5 top 10 and have aseperate ranking for the rest of us.if it could be done lahabra and lag hills should never let you on their campuses ever again and prevent you from ever mentioning them in one breath of your alter boy mouth lost respect for you steve.
This sucks. This whole season, only once did a non Pac 5 school crack the top 10, La Habra. And that only lasted for one week for some odd reason. Might as well just call it the "Orange County Top 10 Pac 5 rankings" from now on.
right on country!!! i think all non pac five coaches should boycott these writers.
I agree with all of you. La Habra's definitely a TOP-5 PROGRAM. They've just won their 4 cif title in 8 years!
Hey La Habra fans, look at this way: you've won b2b titles for the 2nd time in 8 years. So the hell with Fryers "garbage" rankings!
These people who think every lower level team should be ranked because they win a lower division or go undefeated are clueless. The fact that you won Div. 6 or whatever is meaningless unless you beat a D 1 team for evidence you're better than the D1 teams in the top 10. La Habra is the best by far of these teams and they lost to the only 2 D1 teams they played, Los Alamitos and San Clemente. Any of the D1 teams ranked, Newport Harbor, Fountain Valley, Esperanza, Edison, Mission Viejo would have easily won a lower division if it was in it. Only La Habra even tries to play these D1 teams. Any you know why? Because their coaches aren't as stupid as their fans. They know they'd lose. It's also twice as tough to be in the D1 leagues because every week is a war. 5 of the 6 teams in the Sunset were in the top 10. The Trinity and South Coast are the same. What does Laguna Hills or La Habra have to get up for? Fullerton???
Steve,
I suggest you publish " The Self Esteem Top Ten" for the lower division teams. Typical clueless LH fan above who says he'd like to see LH play a D1 team in preseason. HELLO, they did play two and lost to both). They can't beat D1 teams ( La Habra )or won't play them. And I know that's a fact because I help make the schedules for some of these teams and the lower div. teams don't even return the call when both have an opening ( everyone else incl. Lag. Hlls, St. Marg etc ) but you are supposed to rank them above D1 teams.
la habra for one plays division 2 football. so they can beat fullerton and all the other weak teams, in the sunset league every one was ranked in the top ten making way harder. and any division one can win a champion ship in division 2
I thought this was the Orange County top 10. I thought La Habra was in Orange County, guess I was wrong. Go Highlanders.
There is not I say NOT that much difference between Pac5 schools and Southwest Division except Pac5 schools have more kids to choose from and the private schools who recruit La Habra definetly deserves the spot in the top ten and if you cant come to realize that then you havent seen this squad play produce win on the road at home and they get better every week without question cmon people get a clue .
Steve, teams that have 4 losses, are not top 10 material.
Who has a better record in the OC North-South All Star Football Game? (North or South) Does this game have any indication of which County is better? (North or South) Just wondering. La Habra, you shouldn't let the top ten get to you. Congrats! on winning another CIF Championship.
SunSet Supporter, I agree with you that every week is a war in the D1 leagues.
Congrats to Tesoro! Great Game and Great Season!
sunse supporter didnt mention marina.are they not apac 5 teamhow about capo valley,dana hills,or santa marg. newport and servite played over their heads all year and got beat but stiil in top ten . and fountian valley didnt finish in top4 of league and marina played some close league games after being blown out by westminister who was blown out by lahabra. and were fountian valleys losses just against sunset teams or some lower level teams and the ones they won wernent blow outs.the only reason la habra lost to los al was in the 1st half they had 3 turn overs in scoring position and not from some big hit. lets just say they hadnt and settled for 3 each time and you have a 2pt upset.get off your hi horse sunset, and if you are involved in the sched , maybe you can redo the contracts and give la habra an all pac 5 sched and watch us go atleast 3-2. Hell we allready jumped up 1 div im sure we can do it again , any place any time. and like mike siad and ive siad its an all!!!! orange county poll not apac five poll.maybe cif should have some invite bowls during the same weekend as state championship and clear this up once and for all.
Sunset Supporter - If lower level teams shouldn't be ranked, then the OC Top 10 should be renamed as suggested above The Pac-5 Top 10, all of your schools would be on the list, then all you Pac-5er's would complain your team isn't number one, and you could all argue amongst yourselves. This so-called Top 10 is meaningless.
As a serious high school football and sports fan, I am really taken back by "Sir Friar" comment which states that college recruiters, and TV and the news media are not interested in LaHabra football or its talent. It is obvious that only a small percentage of high school football players are ever considered for financial assistance (including Servite), but I find it demeaning that any parent or adult would be so insensitive enough to the football players to make such insensitive comments. I think your input should be restricted to adults only bar room situations.
richard riggs
For all the Highlander crying in here, you think THEY shoulda played Poly the other night. Let's recap your "road" to the CIF Championship. Mercy killing of Anaheim, a given. Squeek by Eldo, Squeek by Trabuco Hills, win against Tustin in 2nd half...not all that dominate of the rest of the competition in the Southwest to be honest. I might add that Fountain Valley actually BEAT Los Al AND Newport Harbor, did you? Oh, that's right, I know "if it weren't for those 3 fumbles and the bad call we'd have beat Los Al...." Wah, wah, wah....that's football, GREAT teams don't have turnovers in BIG games. We could woulda, coulda, shoulda all day long. You played two D1 games, and lost both. If you win ONE of those games, you can talk about the top 10, but you didn't, so shut up already.
La Habra is an awesome football team, an awesome community and very loyal.
They are not a top 10 football team, however. That doesn't take anything away from the program.
They just wouldn't beat any of the teams in the top 10. They had 2 cracks this year. I really don't think there is any "bias" of any kind going on.
I promise that if La Habra beats either SC or Los Al, or both, they end up in the top 10.
Enjoy what counts - Victory on the field. Back to back champs.
That's special.
Notice that Los Alamitos is not in my final top 10 -- and Los Alamitos beat La Habra.
I voted La Habra No. 1 in the Southwest Division all year, every week, in the CIF-Southern Section polls. I picked La Habra to win the Southwest Division.
Who do I take out of the top 10, to insert La Habra? No. 10 Fountain Valley? Well, Fountain Valley beat Los Alamitos -- which beat La Habra. No. 9 Edison? Well, Edison beat Fountain Valley, which beat Los Alamitos, which beat La Habra ...
And so it goes.
For all you trying to put FV down are retartted for thinking they are not in top 10.
La Habra's league games:
LH 62 Sonora 0
LH 45 Troy 0
LH 41SH 7
LH 24 Fullerton 7
LH 49 BP 7
Heres FV league:
FV 14 ESPY 17
FV22 NPH 21
FV21 LOS AL 14
FV 7 EDH 14
FV 49 Marina 7
Get the point LA Habra, play week in week out top ten teams and come out with a winning record then come and talk like you know football. All you know is about D 6 ball. Educate yourself on football in general then come on these boards.
Why are all the fans talking the minus the turnover talk. Mission beats tesoro minus the picks. Mater Dei beats tesoro minus the picks.O lu beats tesoro minus 5 300 pound kids on the line. The giants dont win the super bowl minus that great pass by Eli. What you have to realize is things happen you cant go back and minus what you want and say you would have won.Without one big run tesoro has rings on their fingers and is playing either grant or DLS. Get over not being in some newspapers top 10 you have a ring something none of these teams on that list can say.
Fryer, any real football person knows a top ten at the end of the year should be just that. How teams finished the year not if they lost in preseason while working out the kinks. you cannot tell me that in December La Habra was not playing top ten football winning the last nine games they played. How many teams in your top ten can say they did that. mmmmm let me see. NONE! well i don't think much more needs to be said! We all know where La Habra Football really stands. On Top Cause WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you 2 talking heads just dont get it . this not the bcs its high school football. the whole county should be represented not just the chosen few. its not about who beat who at what point in the season. its about letting communities share in the glory like the rest of the county,especially if they earn it. your analogies make nosince to you its kind of like the bcs cause explain to me how florida loses to a loosing tam at the time like miss and stays in the hunt for national title . sc loses to oregon state and their out for rest of season . would miss beat oregon state who knows in the early part of season .would lahabra lose to fountain valley servite or espy later in the season ,who knows, but its should be how you finish and you guys cant sit in your little biased world , but know this my bet would be la habra over these teams.and i guess like boise state, st margerets isnt worthy of consideration.like ive siad before we moved up once willgladly move up again, isnt releauging coming up? and frier if servite was deserving they should have beat their preseason opponents instead of just lowly st paul.
"sunsetsupporter", you really haven't paid closer attention over the past couple seasons. Tustin Tillers BEAT ORANGE LUTHERAN 42-25 last season (or the season before last). So to say lower-division teams can't beat D1 teams is a complete farce.
wow one game
It was 2006.
hey e ?show us your preseaso results . oh and doyou and edison have some kind of draft to see who gets to transfer to what school from the other hb schools.and wheres your success story of a d 1 college football player?
fryer . haw come when some one makes a valid point you never respond/ i know why ,because you might be wrong and e wheres that sched
if this was a per capita ranking, Laguna Hills is the best no doubt. Seeing they have only 1800 kids... If you randomly selected 50% of Mission Viejo's players and asked them to put together a team, LH would stomp on them...
Fryer is and always will be [biased] if the school is a middle class school ,or in a area that he don,t like well they won't make he's top 10,,,, fryer thinks in the boxs if your school got alot of money well you get fryers vote.It's said i meet and know alot of people at oc/reg and too think he is there too well????? One thing for shore he will never change he been this way for years!!!!!!GET honest or fine a new job [Your too BIASED]
Ask any kid on any of these teams what really matters and I guarantee that all of them will say it's about getting a championship ring!! This and any other top 10 list is meaningless. Congrats to La Habra! you guys deserved it!!! Congrats to all the other Championship participants!!!
La Habra supporters, congratulations on the title. Maybe you guys should have cracked the top 10, maybe you shouldn't have. It is what it is and you guys have a ring. Quite honestly, if you guys were in the Pac 5 you probably wouldn't compete week to week. Don't try knocking on other teams just because you happened to not crack the top 10. Congratulations nonetheless.
Let's see, the Laguna Hills Hawks go 13-0 and win the championship and not even a mention of them in the top 10???!! The only thing us Hawk fans can take solace in is the fact that you have been wrong all year in your weekly predictions that teams would beat us right up to the Mayfair game ( "too fast" you said) and that you have now continued that streak of being wrong into your final pool as well. Maybe you should include some fellow journalists to vote in this poll as the guys at Cox, who actually watch the games, would probably have a different viewpoint of Laguna Hills and their season. Congrats Hawks on a great season!
i am not bagging on LH, they are a great team i started to post when people were bagging on FV. Fv has had many excellent players go to D1 programs and i believe we had three maybe four players who graduated from FV play in the pros.
All the D1 supporters don't hate. LH is damn good program and will be for years to come. Yes you are right we won the championship and that's all that matters.We are only one of the few as you say lower division schools who will step up and play D1 schools. Just because you come from D1 don't mean you know more . To me the top 10 is like boxings Pound for Pound list.The best of all divisions. The heavy weight aren't necessarily the the best or top pound for pound cause they can beat the lower divisions. It s ranked by how you dominate your weight class and how you fair against .That is why PAC MAN IS THE BEST POUND FOR POUND...aLL WE ARE ASKING IS 9 OR 10.
Top 10?? This is the same guy who put Santa Margarita ahead of other Pac-5 teams who had a better record during the season. Regardless of strength of schedule, how many Orange County Pac-5 teams went undefeated?? How many Orange County Pac-5 teams went back to back?? Give Laguna Hills and La Habra there due for winning CIF titles. Any school who win these titles should automatically be in the top ten.
exactly that just tells you how tough the pac-5 is. it is hard to go undefeated and let alone win back to back titles. It has been done in D1 but very hard. Congrats to LH on a fine season you guys are an excellent ball team, you guys stand at # 11 IMO. All ten team would beat you guys IMO.
For all the pac 5 supporters,
La Habra has better coaches, better training, better technique, better everything than pac 5 teams have. The only thing that these division 1 teams have that la habra and teams alike don't have is population at the school. Whoever is on a high horse because they play or support the pac 5, remember this, you guys are only in division one do to the population of your school. Its not because you think your better or what, its soley due to the fact of population. If La Habra had the same school population as any of the schools in the pac 5 they would be winning week in and week out, top 3 in the county every week. Thats a guarantee.
For private school teams, you guys don't even count. I personally think private schools should not even be included in any kind of public football events. You guys basically cheat, and people who have loyalty to schools they have to pay for I think is just obtuse.
Last thing...
Whoever said college football recruiters don't come to La Habra, wow, you obvioulsy have not been paying attention, do you want me to name off all the d-1 players in the last 3 years including this one. Haha its unbelievable how many good players la habra has from the little selection they have. I bet you la habra has had more d1 players in the past years than some pac 5 teams have had.
O ya, and something that la habra has that most pac 5 schools don't have is...
rings
"Fv has had many excellent players go to D1 programs and i believe we had three maybe four players who graduated from FV play in the pros." - e
Are you suggesting that non Pac 5 schools don't/can't do the same ?
If so, you're so wrong my friend.
Chris Tobolski & Steve Friar,
I realize your only sports writer's and don't realize how to properly judge the strength of a football team. I can see how you could watch a game like Los Alamitos & La Habra and miss the fact that La Habra controlled both lines of scrimage the whole game. Unforced turnovers (3) by La Habra while going in for scoring drives and a Los Alamitos hail mary at the end of the half for a gift touchdown, plus a Los Alamitos fumble they recovered in their end zone lead to a Los Alamitos victory.
Anybody who can asses football walked away knowing that La Habra won the battle in the trenches, had a superior ground game & better defense, but consequently beat themselves. Los Alamitos had one intangible in their quarterback Clark Evans who is a handful. Without him Los Alamitos struggles to play over a 500 clip. La Habra showed this year and over the course of years that they can contain a major college talent: Derrick Coleman (Troy), Grisgby (California High) from Arizona, and Anthony Wilkerson (Tustin).
They could easily shut down one demensional offenses like Esperanza & Fountain Valley. Both of these teams won a few games in their conferences at the end of their seasons but were out of your top ten before then but all of a sudden they leap frog La Habra in your poles? Did La Habra not get better during the season. I know as their quarterback Nygren got more experience he got better and better and so did their offense. La Habra's weakness on defense was the short passing game because their corners often play too deep off the ball and concede the short passing game. That's why San Clemente was able to score enough points to beat La Habra because they could execute the short passing game well and La Habra did not adjust their corners and should have mixed Quesada & Nygren in the secondary more to shore up the gap. Do you think La Habra's secondary did not get better over the course of the year? Knowing how to asses football you would have seen the growth with the El Dorado game because that's how El Dorado tried to attack them. They obviously watched the San Clemente tapes but La Habra's growth in that area was evident. They also contained another in a series of good athletes in Kane Wilson. With this being said this is how to judge the growth of teams. Therefore your thesis of evaluation (Early losses to Los Alamitos & San Clemente) don't tell the whole story. And that's how a team like the New York Giants can beat the media's New England Patriots in the Super Bowl at the end of the season. Because they had the intangibles from the beginning and the core base or heart. It just needed to be worked out. That's why there is a season before the playoffs and a new season begins with the playoffs. You can't discard the heart of champions and what it takes to get there! But writers do all the time. Steve Friar, I wrote you after last years playoffs about La Habra just like I am doing now. I told you how good Josh Quesada was and that Randall Nygren was a missing duel threat at quaterback for La Habra from the previous year. I told you about Joe Casey & Pepard & David Arteaga is the hardest hitter pound for pound in Orange County and stops the run from his safety position like no other. I don't know what his 40 time is (That might keep people away from him) but he's got something you can't measure 'HEART' ! Sportswriter's are famous for judging by the outward appearance but that is a problem with mankind in general. For man judges by the outward appearance but God judges by the heart and that's why David can defeat a Goliath in life but the general public can't see it. Why do I take the time to write this response? Because I think it's a shame when somebody worthy is second guessed or short changed by somebody who is not truly in position to judge Chris Tobolski & Steve Friar. And I think it's a shame that your opinions (Sportswriter's) get teams in a State Bowl Game or not! I think it a shame that La Habra's ranked 71st in the state of California because they are not recognized for a long body of work because sportswriters have short changed them yet programs that have actually played against them no better and they would be the true evaluaters. If you asked Coach Barnes from Los Alamitos in his heart of hearts "Were you fortunate to get a victory against La Habra?" He would say, "Yes" and they beat us in the trenches and up an down the field! If you saw San Clemente celebrate after they beat La Habra it would tell you what a great victory they knew they had just won and were fortunate. If you saw La Habra's countenance after those losses you would have seen that they knew they were better then that but they would be better for the mishaps in the end and become Champions! Please don't underestimate the heart of Champions! For in the heart are the issues of life. And heaven comes to those who overcome! And all things happen in it's season. Maybe I am looking for a prophet instead of a sportswriter? But I would love to see a sportswriter who can recognize the seasons.
Well said Craig no doubt the most underated player in CIF is DAVID ATEAGA week in and week out he played his heart out and like you have seen is as hard as hitter as I have seen reminds me some of Matt Gootergood not the biggest player size wise but adds 2" and 10 lbs with his desire any college who doesnt make a late run for him will be missing out on one fantastic student athlete he fights off blocks and is a complete head hunter would be able to carry 10- 12 lbs more and work on his quickness some I see him as a SS with linebacker mentality the best run stop kid in the great class of players coming out this year from the OC, Mr. Arteaga it was a pleasure to watch you play these past couple years Good Luck on a very bright future.
I just noticed your response thank you and YES take out both Fountain Valley and Edison for sure.
Laguna Hills would beat Tesoro and Mater Dei.
well siad about population difference.well siad about private schoolsnot included,although i would leave out the cheater comment[they are what they are ,able to afford it] allthough their parents need a dose of reality that just because they go to one of these schools,it doesent make them an instant nfl prospect.I saw 2 stud kids at villa park a couple years ago that would have made the spartans a solid team, but because they were so good decided olu was better for them, athleticly,could their folks afford it ?who knows,but there they are, and how many more are there at private schools.The point here is until they go back to no tranfers in public schools and have a seperate private school div,nothing will change, and the rich will get richer, just like society in general.
your comment on population goes in line with my earlier blog to e and sunset, about having adraft.let the kids go where their zoned to go and there actually might be some parity ,or marina might be forced out like huntington was.Educators get clue or is it about money and prestige.
and e ?still waiting on fv preseason results. my honest top 10
1 tesoro has it all ,size and speed
2 trying not to be biased will give nod over my clan
3 lahabra proved through playoffs speed kills and can hang with size
4 laguna hills 3vs 4 would be 1 of my invite bowls
5still the kings of the south although the prince has reigned the last 2 seasons
6materdie still can hang with the big boys on any given friday
7 edison still the class of hb area even if they limited transfers.
8 trabuco just big and fast studs
9 san clemente lot of heart and speed
10 eldo same as 8 with classy coaches that get it done
county player of the year ronnie hillman . lower level d6 catch me if you can
country i did not say that a lower division team ant send people to league becasue it has been done plenty of times before, i just wrote that becasue a previous poster wrote the FV doesnt have any college players.
TO EX LANCER/CLAN DAD,FIRST LEARN TO SPELL,WRITE SAID,NOT(SIAD)WERENT NOT(WERNENT) ALSO FV TIED FOR IST IN SUNSET LEAGUE WITH 3 TEAMS.NOT MAKING TOP 4 LIKE YOU SAID.WE DIDNT LOSE TO LOWER TEAM IN PRE SEASON.ONLY LOSS TO #1 TERSORO 29-14.WITH OUR STARTING QBKNOCKED OUT FOR THE YEAR IN 1ST HALF. WE GOING IN FOR SCORE ON THE 35 YARD LINE WHEN THEY KNOCKED MIDDLEBROOKS WITH 6 MINUTES TO GO.SCORE COULD BEEN 29-21.BUT LOSS,IS LOSS. SO QUIT COMPLAING & GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU WRITE ANYTHING.I RATHER HAVE A TITLE THAN TOP 10 POLL. SO CONGRATS ON YOUR VICTORY.
"country i did not say that a lower division team ant send people to league becasue it has been done plenty of times before, i just wrote that becasue a previous poster wrote the FV doesnt have any college players." - e
Good to know.
"Knowing Is Half the Battle" - GI Joe
As for whoever said FV doesn't have any college. They're wrong on that entire front. Steve Fifita, the Talavoe brothers, etc.
joe says check my speling.
are we in class here joe,well a missed spelled word is written not spoken.check your grammer, we going i rather .get my point lets just stay on yhe topic. and you showed me 1 preseason loss, where is your forth and the excuse along with it because you and e only showed 3 is it to embarrassing!!!!!!!
Very well put, Craig.
I too saw Matt Grootegood play in high school and David 'Bede' Arteaga #3 reminds me a heck of a lot about him.
yea we played a weak non league and it sucks 99 % of th FV faithful would love to play a tough non league i dont know why shipp doesn't schedule tough games. but i cant control that but we do play in the a tough sunset league were any one can win. Just like this year two powerhouse teams didn't make the playoffs and both were league champs. that just shows you how tough the sunset is. when i played we probably had one of the toughest non league schedules, having to play san clemente, santa margarita, Vista (when they were # 2 in san diego county at the time,) missio viejo, which we loss 14-13 when they were # 2 in the nation. Then again thats when johnson was the coach. those are the teams i would like to see fv play.
Maybe next year Fryer can have two polls, one for the D-1 schools, and one for the D-2 schools. La Habra can be number one on the D-2 list all year, maybe then they won't have anything to whine about. Actually knowing La Habra they will still find something to whine about.
Craig, the same La Habra defense that gives up 470 yards of offense to TH?
hey fryer how this for releauging. la habra in the sunset, since we dont have a travel issue,anahiem in the freeway so you have that old sunset rivalry with fullerton and marina to the orange just so they can compete.
E& EX LANCER/CLAN WE PLAYED # 1 TESERO.IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU
joe .no its not just show your preseason sched whats there to hide
Hey ex lancer/clan dad:
Dude you are giving La Habra fans a bad name. PLEASE shut up. And you can tell the type of education that you got at Sunny Hills with you spelling at writing.
dear dino darling
La habra plays nobody... they couldnt even handle los al which WE whooped on i dare you to schedule a game vs FVHS next year they had 8 1st team all sunset league players....(the most)
besides d6 teams are wounded doggs compared to the beasts of the sunset and trinity leagues
Clan Backer - before you criticize people for spelling, remember to read your entry before hitting the submit button. I for one don't really care about spelling, grammar, punctuation etc. This blog is for commenting on sports which can be fun and interesting regardless of how one expresses it. ex lancer/clan dad's comments are not giving LH a bad name compared to other entries I've read. If people can't stand us as fans, too bad - WE ARE CHAMPIONS AND THEY ARE NOT
Somebody above used my name. What an idiot. I'll be working with OC Register to track down the IP and have this person removed.
That person is such a coward, he had to use MY name.
LH will most likely beat SCHS next year. SCHS will still have a ton of talent but is losing most of their linemen. It should be a good game as it was this year...and who cares about fryer...he sucks. Congrats to LH on winning their title.
But SCHS could still win.....
Hows this...LH and SCHS most likely will win....
baron pride 09, I would be the first person to admit that a handful of teams we play are nothing to get excited about. As for playing "nobody", as has been pointed out a number of times, we played Los Al and San Clemente. We also played El Dorado, Trabuco Hills, and Tustin. All good teams with good programs.
As far as next season's schedule goes, its already in ink. We will host San Clemente and travel for Los Al. Westminster had enough and did not renew. Downey got moved to week 3.
I make no personal bones that La Habra is not the top team in the County. Also, I have always respected Steve Fryer's comments and his rankings are valid.
I'm a bit upset that someone would use my name to post a message. I am one of the few out here who can write and speak intelligently. I NEVER use all caps nor do I attack anyone (except for calling the imposter an idiot and coward, but that's frustration talking).
La Habra is once again the back to back Champion! Not only in the Southeast Division (last year), but the new Champion in the Southwest! We could be #25 for all I care...we took home the trophy!
Lastly, some of the La Habra fans disappoint me...I'm sure I disappoint them also. But, I don't hide behind fake names and willing to back up my claims. If you see a post that wasn't intelligently put together in the future, chances are it wasn't me saying it.
Thank you and good night!
Dino Darling
who cares. it is high school football. who cares about rankings. none of your sons will amount to anything anyways, you already forced them to play football. now they can be mad about making or not making the top 10 when there 35 and still living at home.
hey Sunset Supporter, La Habra is NOT the only non div 1 team that schedules div 1 opponents. Pacifica plays Fountain Valley on an annual basis, they also have games scheduled against tough opponents California, Long Beach Wilson & up and coming Junipero Serra plus they have Troy on the docket (when THS was VG in 06&07).
Also, I believe Cypress played Mater Dei in the preseason. I agree LHHS is a Top program BUT until they beat these Div 1 teams in pre-season, they cannot be in the Top 10.
out of the sunset and trinity league plus mission and tesoro, theres no need to rank any team. these teams are the best. sorry san clemente but after dropping edison from your schedule to play la habra you guys shouldn't be ranked in the top 10 either. LH fans, get over it. D2 isn't close to D1. And edison only has 2,000 students so why are "small" schools complaining?
because edison is an all star team from that area...and san clemente was about to beat both mission and tesoro but was stopped on the winning drive on both teams 15 yard line...and san clemente played better than edison against esperanza but lost because of poor coaching...so SCHS is perfect at 8...
BOO-HOO!!!!! La Habra fans are the biggest complainers and talk the most crap. La Habra's students are too cocky. I've been keeping an eye on LH's head coach.(Coach Mazotta) He does some sneaky-unfair things. Like inviting the pop warner kids to go workout w/ them while they're stil in the 8th grade. To get a head start on their football program and to recruit the young ones to go their instead of their cross-town rival:Sonora. I don't think this is cheating but since they won CIF last year the school provides protein shake for the players. Enough so each player gets a shake when they enter and exit the weight room. I think it's unfair. One day Coach Mazotta and even the school will get bit in the ass.....HARD, And he is going to regret all of that.
To all you people who thinkl La Habra fans are whining, forget abiut it WINNING a football championship is the hardest sport to win a championship i (NCAA basketball tournament a close 2nd) and La Habra went out and did just that and whoever thinks that shouldnt put you in this top ten should really stop and think if your team or school doesnt even make the playoffs or gets knocked off in the 1st round see ya bye bye your OUT no more discussion you all know and hopefully understand that alot of these teams on any given night can knock off one or the other but the key is WINNING get it WINNING and that is exactly what La Habra did , close games yes call here call there yes it happens every week and we all know it but again bottom line is WINNING case closed La Habra without doubt deserves a top ten nod just because of the fac that they WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP get it people .
Dino Darling well put and by the way how can we get tapes of the championship game are they available through the booster club or school please let us clan fans know if you have the info thanks much
poopookittyduck please name all D1 scholarships you have received, since you brought it up.
when la habra starts playing pac 5 schools and can beat them then they will get credit. they lost to los al and F.V. beat los al. there is no "oh we had to many turnovers" or "we were close" a loss is a loss. Be a pac 5 school and start playing good team not fullerton and those other crapy teams
clan backer sorry i wont be so passionate [not sure if i spelled that right] about the clan anymore. the boys won a championship thats all that matters not what the writers think.
thanks for the props clan pride,your right just ablog, no body being tested here.
and as for i see it all , get over it bitterman scumora fan, check your cif bylaws idiott, and look in your own back yard,better have your ducks in a row before you make accusations[did i spell that right clan backer.
you go exlancer/clan dad.
out
fvball dont you understand Remember the saying "if my aunt had ......she would be my uncle La Habra won a TOUGH Southwest division Los Al beat them yes but Oregon St. beat USC and who goes to the bowl, anyway you just dont get it you have to Win to be a champion where is FV today oh i know without a ring but they beat Los Al big deal no ring no respect get it.
I-SEE-EVERYTHING:
You may think you see everything, but you know nothing. Get your facts straight pal. You sound like a sore loser, quit your whining Sonora scum wanna-be football player and get out of La Habra's limelight.
I-See Everything you are going to claim that La Habra is cheating when Sonora is the one that held a pop warner night after the district told ALL of the schools that they no longer could hold these events. Sonora is also the one that has their football website liked form the La Habra pop warner website. And Sonora is the one that held a Speed clinic for all of the coaches of La Habra Pop warner, so that they could teach it to their kids. As for recruiting, when it comes down to choosing a Pinto or a Mercedes it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where they are going to go. We are not the ones that have to recruit, Sonora is the ones that have to do everything that they can to keep a hold of their students.
Well if the pac5 was not able to recruit then the rankings would be different but as for this year...La Habra should be in the top ten...you either love La Habra or hate them...you love them because you live here and hate them because you can't understand how you can lose to a football team that you can run around the city in less than 20 min. Oh yea and they do have another high school in there city...lets not forget where all these kids come from..LA HABRA POP WARNER..its called heart...you cant teach it and thats something LA Habra carries with them...Ask the Santa Margarita how good La Habra Pop Warner is...they will tell you...they could barely win with the refs help..lol
you guys seriously waste your time typing pages and pages on here??
shut it yall!
yall suck...this is the top ten in orange county
1. CVCS
2. Aliso Niguel
3. Capo Valley
4. JSerra
5. El Toro
6. Marina
7. Woodbridge
8. Northwood
9. Ocean View
10. Detroit Lions
yeah thats right!
thats the biggest joke ive ever heard
mean Says:
December 18th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
yall suck…this is the top ten in orange county
1. CVCS
2. Aliso Niguel
3. Capo Valley
4. JSerra
5. El Toro
6. Marina
7. Woodbridge
8. Northwood
9. Ocean View
10. Detroit Lions
yeah thats right!
1. tesoro
2.orange l
3. La habra
4.laguna hills
5.mater dei
6.tustin
7edison
8.servite
9.m.v.
10.trabuc hills
the real 10
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I would respect La Habra more if the fans werent so cocky. I always hear this "we almost beat Los Al!" stuff everytime they play. won cif 4 times in 8 years and has played Los Al every preseason I can think of in the last 8 years and never heard of La Habra beating Los Al. I dont know why La Habra is angry about top 10 when Los Al isnt even in the top 10. i would be angry about MD being number 3 when they lost 4 games... that is the only complaint i have about the rankings. Now about sunset league... Anyone can win that league every season.. Everytime Los Al has a great league going FV upsets them. Edison and Los Al games always go into the final minutes of the 4th quarter. I would love to see La Habra replace Marina in sunset. they can fight over 3rd place in league between esperanza, FV, and newport. Marina is the only weak part of sunset but more respect to them for not pulling out like Huntington Beach(which pulled out because they are more of an Art than a sport school).
1. CVCS
2. Aliso Niguel
3. Capo Valley
4. JSerra
5. El Toro
6. Marina
7. Woodbridge
8. Northwood
9. Ocean View
10. Detroit Lions
enough said
and SCHS beat LH...sorry to bust your bubble...
Fryers top10 is the opinion of one man. We have a few over zealous fans trying to argue why Steve Fryer is an idiot for not ranking their team in the final top10. IMO It's his opinion and he has the right to choose whomever he wishes, It's his column we do not have to agree with it. What is important is that 20 years from now people will remember who the champions were, not who made the final top ten. C.I.F titles are not an easy goal to achieve. Many players and coaches finish their football careers never knowing what it's like to be crowned a champion, It truly is an amazing feeling! So for all of you overzealous fans lets not dwell on one mans opinion and for those schools that were fortunate enough to have won a title, celebrate your accomplishments on the gridiron, remember Fryers top 10 is just a meaningless opinion of one man.
all i know is that i dont even read about or hear about any non division 1 games in 20 years everybody will still say oh they were in D2, D3 whats the difference
La Habra plays horrible schools in the pre-season they dont deserve to be in the top ten of California's tuffest, most competitive league arguably the nations
you just can't say that a team like laguna hills or la habra is a top ten team till they play a trinity, southcoast, or sunset league team. they hang in their with a good team from one of those confrences they should deffinatly be in the t10, but for no their is no way
Mr. Fryer I think it's clear how much La Habra fans support our team. Your top 10 arguments are valid no need to get mad La Habra fans.
It does seem to me La Habra has done just about everything except beat a PAC-5 team . Personally I would take a CIF ring over that one accomplishment anyway. I agree with your logic but Fountain Valley(#10 in OC) this year over La Habra is tough to swallow. This isn't 1978 or 1988 (the last time FV were CIF champs) with all due respect .Your criteria makes it nearly impossible for any non PAC-5 team to crack your top 10. La Habra and Laguna Hills both deserve more respect because we all know it's not how a season starts but how it finishes is the way you should be judged.
Current La Habra players in college football?
Greg Francis Cal Poly Fr. CB
Jason Davis UNLV Fr. RB
Luke McDonough UC Davis Jr. TE
Mike Porter Cal Poly Sr. OL
Ryan Winterswyk Boise St. So. DE
Poopoopkittyduck - Who did I miss?
Is Petey Puga somewhere?
Petey Puga enrolled last year at Southern Utah but has left the program and will playing for Cerritos College in the 2009 season .
amp and loooo what season did you guys watch last. lhhs vs los al. vs schs, vs south hills of covina.
Steve Fryer, You do a great job with HS football. I think a lot of people don't realize the vast difference between Pac 5 schools and others. When I was younger, the difference between schools was not that great but today the "powers" get lot of great players and are better than ever and the "have nots" are not as good as 50 years ago. My only fault with you is you do not take down a school enough for losing. LaHarbra and Laguna Hills are about even with Fountain Valley and Esparanza.
I have been following HS Football for a long time (1946). The QBs this year were the best ever! 4 of the South Coast league QBs are D1 . Picazo, Bridgford, Delancollotti and Schroeder. I have always though the Trinity and Sunset were the best League but this year I felt the South Coast was the best.
King is a great player but having scouted for D1 players I know many scouts are so stupid that if you don' fir a pattern they will not recruit you. I remember Sweezy at El Toro years ago as an example.
Picazo would be a perfect QB at Stanford. I saw the QB thay are offering a scolarship too and while he has a great arrm he lacks Picazo's mobility and smarts. I realize that Picazo was helped by "the Okalahoma line" of HS football.
I only have one problem with you. Why do you say Tustin running up a score is a exception? When did the not!!
Pete Snetsinge
La Habra Stop crying you guys are not that great until you beat one of us you will never be in the top 10 because you guys are too weak to play with us you will probably have a better chance next year but not that much better i mean how do expect to get in the top 10 without beating one of our schools in the pac-5? I mean come on i know iam being harsh but deep down you all know it's true and coming close to beating one of us isn't close enough you have to beat one of us to get in the top 10 until then good luck and enjoy being in the top 15.
Whoa. The high school football season is over. Get a life.
for everyone that says that LaHabra should stop crying, take a look at what your team did this year......did they win another CIF cahmpionship i bet not and how long has it been since some of the teams in the top 10 actually got TO the finals or past the first rround of the playoffs. And to all the parents of pac5 schools if you are soooo good why dont you play LaHabra?????
What's the big deal about beating a PAC 5 team. Fullerton beat SC last season without much notice from Fryer. LH kicks the crap outa both D1's they lost to in a rematch-they are the real deal
Esperanza is the League Champ/Co-Champ of the Sunset League four years running I don't think many other teams can say that.
(I ordered a LH thesaurus so I can understand their posts)
Edison was better than #9.
Where's Launa Hills?
Fountain Valley isn't a #10.