Tobolski: How I voted this week in top 10
November 17th, 2008, 9:49 am · · posted by Chris Tobolski, OCVarsity.com
1. Tesoro – 10-0, undefeated, clear-choice No. 1 team in county
2. Servite – When everything comes together, Friars might be top team in county
3. Orange Lutheran – Lancers scored huge victory over Mater Dei, primed for playoff run
4. Mater Dei – Might be the hardest team to judge in the county, not sure which squad is coming to play
5. Mission Viejo – schedule is one of weakest for any top 10 team, but 9-1 with only loss to Tesoro
6. Edison – crazy to see three teams below Edison going to the playoffs, but that’s the way it worked
7. San Clemente – 8-2, only losses to Mission Viejo and Tesoro
8. Fountain Valley – biggest surprise of the season, can Barons make noise in playoffs?
9. Newport Harbor – Sailors pulled off big win over Los Al to give them shot at playoffs
10. Los Al – probably deserve to be higher than N0. 10, but plays too many close games for me to consider them dominant
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Chris,
Please you have to have San Clemente over Edison, that’s hard to believe you voted this way….two plays from being 10 & 0 in a very tough league! What is your thinking?
Unfortunately, because of scheduling this year, we didn’t get to see this game.
Based on the long history Edison has of beating San Clemente, it’s really difficult for me to place the Tritons ahead of the Chargers.
I will admit, that’s all in the past, and doesn’t play a role this season, but my thinking is Edison beats San Clemente this year too.
Letter to writers @ OC varsity:
I cant believe there has been no articles written about the ridiculous system used to determine the fate of the the Sunset league playoff reps.
Newport Harbor is the only team in that league that has played well the past three weeks; waxing a weak Esperanza team 35-6 (the 6 pts were scored in 4th quarter on Harbors 3rd team D), crushing Marina (who esperanza beat by 3), and beating Los Al @ Los Al by overcoming a -3 turnover margin and putting together a game winning drive. Newport didn’t punt the entire game by the way.
This was a unique situation with the 5 way tie for first place, so a unique solution should have been implemented. At least let all 5 teams get a chance at applying for the at large bid. If the committee truely believes that esperanza was the best team in the league and Harbor was 5th, then disregard this rant.
It’s a shame that the team playing the best football at the end of the season doesn’t even get a chance to represent the league. Isn’t that why we have a playoff system in HS? Is this the BCS? No wait, if this were the BCS then Harbor would have at the very least been the 3 seed in the Sunset.
I predict that all Sunset teams get beat convincingly in the first round, not because the league is weak, but because Harbor is the only team playing good football at this point in the season.
The only teams that deserved to be left out were Edison and Los Al. They were the only team that had a chance to control their own playoff fate and blew in front of their home crowds. Esperanza and Foutain valley will be wishing that they DIDN’T get randomly selected to the playoffs when they’re getting blown out by their first round opponents.
Chris we played edison even the last couple of years…even with their open enrollment but eveything is cyclical! We wanted them as a first round opponent badly as this was and is our year. You need to go no further then the win lose and sos. Your almost sounding Steve Fryer like…can’t live in the past Chris everything changes, even the SC vs edison history. The only option is to beat esperanza…and move on!
I gotcha. It wasn’t an easy decision to make, but it’s one I made.
Let’s see how many other voters put San Clemente ahead of Edison?
And I hear what you’re saying about this being the year, but this was also the year SC would get Mission Viejo. What happened?
Chris…Its not sc’s fault that edison did not could not win trust me we wanted them badly. Ya they were going to be short handed….the kids that got hurt do not even live in the district, so to me it was just even! SC plays with the kids that grew up here….that may answer the seven year losing skid. Let Steve and Dan know we were ready and willing to play edison at occ on friday night. trust me the streak would have ended. Mission and Tesoro were lost by five points each…had the QB not received a horrible hip pointer he would have run in against tesoro, at mission a ball was dropped in stride on the eight yard line score game over. no sour grapes here we lost…we took two of the best recruiting highschools to the wire we would love either one in the play-offs it would not go well for sponge bob!
To Magic (bitter Newport fan)
I would be bitter too but you should think of a better way of venting. Taking it out on the other teams in Sunset and making a ridiculous claim that NH is the only team capible of winning a playoff game makes you sounds so ignorant. I agree NH deserves to be in just as much as anyone else. Claiming NH is the only team playing well is also silly. I thought they played well against FV but lost. FV smashed Edison but lost. FV beat up Edison so bad they couldn’t even field a decent team against Espy. Sometimes that’s they way life goes. Just like the other teams in the league Newport just had to win one more game and nobody including them would be in that 5 way tie spot. Better luck next year though.
Mr. doublede:
San Clemente girls basketball has received a transfer or two over the years. Nothing wrong with that — nothing illegal about it. Coach Mary Mulligan’s expertise is going to attract fine players. Very, very few public school programs that stay on top of their sport for an extended period do so solely with neighborhood kids. Even without drawing athletes from outside of its neighborhood, San Clemente football does have some advantages that public-school football programs lack in many areas of Santa Ana, Anaheim and Garden Grove.
Steve…Thanks for the response, I appreciate your post! Just a few points I think that make a difference. Basketball is not the marque sport football is! Let’s take a look at who should play where, Bridgeford lives in Corona Del Mar, Mascarenaes live’s off the 22 his sister plays softball for pacifica, and the Reulands live in Orange. Tesoro gets three huge transfers from Santa Margarita who were not on the team when SC played them as freshman or Sophmores. OK thats highschool football now, what surprises me is your respect for these programs who do so well, yet your total lack of support or respect for that matter for a team like SC that does it with its local population.
We get no respect for hanging with the edisons, mv, tesoros, servite, md, Olu…traditionally we just don’t have the horses! Your a great sports reporter and you do your job well. Sometimes Steve what should be noticed is honesty, integrity, and doing the right thing when nobody is looking.
Not just running up the score against Capo and have the Register report what a great job the kid from CDM I mean MV did…once in awhile it should be about character!
Enjoy the play-offs…Go Tritons!
I respect every team. I cover a wide variety of teams; two weeks ago, Irvine-Laguna Hills, which made the sports front page. I covered Bolsa Grande-La Quinta a couple of years ago. This year: Valencia-Fullerton; El Dorado-Tesoro; San Clemente-La Habra; Los Al-La Habra; Western-Canyon; Villa Park-Tustin; Villa Park-Trabuco Hills; Fountain Valley-Esperanza …
I work at the Register, which is in Santa Ana. I live in Santa Ana, went to Santa Ana public schools. But my main competitor is a guy who the opposing team in downtown Los Angeles recruited from the San Fernando Valley. I don’t whine about it. I just work harder.
Doublede… Okay get your facts straight ..#1 Mascarenas does NOT live off of the 22… He lives in Mission Viejo. His sister graduated long long ago. The Reulands have graduated and lived locally as well. MV has plenty of character on their team..you however sound a little sour grapes….
You have a strong team, but you’re sounding bitter.. ugh.
Hey doublede, i appreciate your passion but why are you so upset over a silly ranking that means nothing? Your team is moving on and Edison is not so why get so mad that someone has them ranked above you? And as for getting all upset over kids transferring to schools to improve themselves at the sport of there choice what’s the point? It has been going on for years and will continue and as MR. Fryer said in his response no public school that has had a long winning tradition in just about any sport male or female has done it with only home grown talent, i suspect your school has had a few players transfer out over the years and that has left you bitter about transfers, schools with coaches like Mr. Johnson @ Mr. White are going to have kids transfer there just to play for them whether we like it or not, just be happy with your team and all it has accomplished and not what others think of it, as a North County resident i don’t get a chance to see San Clemente to often but i can tall you that they’re very well respected and highly reguarded in this part of the County but with that said i too would have had Edison ranked just ahead of them this year which doesn’t mean a thing it’s just an opinion,good luck in the playoffs and be thankful you’re there.
Come on KIKI. we both know that mascarenas only lives in mission to play football. He played pop warner in huntington and baseball in anaheim before highschool. nowhere near mission. I bet MV’s “THE FARM” helps in recruiting.
doublede
You’re jokeing right.
You seem to know alot about San Clemente Football.
Let’s look at history,
Over the last 8 years you’ve played Mission Viejo, Servite, Edison, and Orange Lutheran. In those 8 years I think those 4 schools have a combined record of 14-0-1 against your Tritons.
You’ve got to win the big ones to be considered with the big dogs.
We don’t want to hear that you beat CIF Champs La Habra…They are really just a divsion 6 team. Why would you switch Edison for La Habra in your preseason schedule? Could it be because the boys down south simply can’t beat the chargers?
Beat the division 1 big dogs and you’ll be one of them.
2008
OPPONENTS W/L RECORDS + Calpreps.com sched strength index
Tesoro : 43-57 23.2
Servite : 64-36 42.1
O Lu : 60-40 36.4
Mater Dei : 65-35 38.6
Mission : 60-39 30.5
Edison : 57-42 33.7
San Clemente : 55-45 27.9
Fountain Valley : 52-49 28.4
Newport Harbor : 61-39 33.4
Los Al : 64-36 32.0
I see what bruin4ever is talking about.
What I’m seeing here is that if you take away Mission Viejo and Tesoro’s records the team that San Clemente has played this year are a combined 36-44.
I’m surprised that Fryer didn’t lump San Clemente into the catagory of St. Margarets. Weak scheduling doesn’t deserve ranking.
doublede I agree with you. These rankings aren’t worth the paper they are written on. San Clemente should be in the 11-25 rankings just above Dana Hills.
With the weak preparation that the Triton’s have had this season, I don’t see them getting past #11 in the OC! Aztecs by 11.
The one big statistical issue that will be resolved is does a team who played against competition that only won 43% of the time against everybody else deserve to be rated #1 over the rest of the pack who played against people who won at least 51% of the time ?
Those Capo, La Mirada, Aliso, El Modena and Cabrillo games don’t help your case if you are Tesoro.
The “Los Al / Tesoro Barnes-Burner Bash” may just flush that answer out on Friday.
That’s why they play the games.
amused you make my case for me…if you looked at the final score on all those games sc lost they were in the game till the end. yes we lost my point being the teams we lost to as i pointed out have players showing up on the team that weren’t there as freshman…we play with the kids that grew up here in town, played pop warner here, little league and went to school here in town.
Not an all star team residing in mv or edison etc…charcter counts! 10 straight play-off appearence’s hopefully you attended the Olu game vs sc two years ago or the servite game last year or the mv game last year.
doublede
Q: Who was the best high school player in the last 5 ro 6 years at San Clemente High School.
A: Josh Farrell – Didn’t he move into the area to live with his cousin? He grew up on LA I believe. Didn’t play Little League or anything else in San Clemente.
Quit your whining!
Phoon,
Josh attended SCHS as a freshman and move to LA for his Sophmore year (did not play football that year) and returned as a Junior and a Senior
Enjoy watching the playoffs
Hawkdolphin….your missing the point! I have no beef with any team, just the direction HS Athletics is in. I would not want my son to play anywhere else, enjoy the play-offs! Should be exciting…all roads cross LB Poly…….!
I know the kids from Saddleback.
He grew up in LA, moved to south county in 9th grade.
Didn’t grow up in San Clemente.
My point is, and I don’t know the Triton program well enough to argue this out. I am sure that kids have moved in and helped even San Clemente win.
The one that I do know of is Farrell. He didn’t “Grow Up” in San Clemente.
He moved to SC to live with his Aunt cause his father was murdered in a gang related turf war when he was in 8th grade.
Any other happy subjects you would like to bring up?
Oh yah
That’s something I sould know about. Don’t try to get all defensive about something that you know darn well I knew nothing about. My point is that your biggest playmaker in the last half decade was a move in to the area…AKA didn’t grow up playing little league in the area.
My simple point is that I have no doubt that SC has had kids that have been play makers for them that went to SC to play football. Dana Hills, Aliso, and Capo have been very poor the last 4 or 5 years, and I have no doubt that parents who wanted a better playing environment for their son have moved them to SC to play football. That’s just a common sense thing.
hawkdolphin has some very good points.
doublede and Wrong are lame homers.
I’ll say it again. How can you argue with the big dogs being 14-0-1 over the last 4 years versus your mighty Tritons.
How can you be 0 for 15 games against the guys you wish to be like, and still think you are one of them?
Please Respond.
No Bruin Brother of mine would ask such a question…come see me at the fifty yard line some time at the rose bowl or any bruin game at Pauley! I’d love to answer your question.
Showtime..what exactly is your point about Mascarenas..?? he’s lived in Mission since the 8th grade.. And he actually LIVES in Mission . Nice try though.. find something else.