No-frills rankings
November 17th, 2008, 3:40 pm · 29 Comments · posted by STEVE FRYER, ocvarsity.com
Here is the O.C. Top 10 without any of the extras:
(Click on a team name to see its season totals.)
1. Tesoro
2. Servite
3. Orange Lutheran
4. Mater Dei
5. Mission Viejo
6. San Clemente
7. Edison
8. Los Alamitos
9. Fountain Valley
10. Newport Harbor
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Funny how the last 4 teams are all Sunset League teams, haha.
But wow #9 Fountain Valley vs. #3 Orange Lutheran. It would be a miracle if we (FV) won... :X
1, 5 & 6- South Coast League
2, 3 & 4- Trinity League
7-10- Sunset League
Parity yes, but only among 3 leagues county-wide! So which is the strongest league this year? I say the SCL teams will prove it in the playoffs.
Re: Fountain Valley vs. Orange Lutheran ... as Chris Berman says, "That's why they play the games." Ya never know. The Tampa Bay Rays made it to the World Series?!?!?
I think the best of the non Pac-5 schools are La Habra and Foothill.
The Trinity League is the best league that includes Orange County teams. I would put Sunset next, with South Coast not far behind.
I wouldn't predict anything in the Pac-5 because all of those teams are so competitive. I mean, Poly gets Bishop Amat in the first round. The top team in the state is in for a dogfight in the first round. I wouldn't count out FV vs. OLu. I've seen Middlebrooks and he is no walk in the park for any defense. How about the Barnes Bowl? I can't wait for the playoffs to start.
People doubted FV against Los Al when they were ranked 2nd. The FV defense is hard hitting and fast. O Lu's QB & running backs better watch out for the Smith boyz.
So excited for the playoffs. Gonna be a fun ride.
the entire fv defense is savage espacially the front for.
playy offssss
I agree with Carlos. The Pac 5 at this point is unpredictable; a group of highly competitive, motivated, and talented teams ready to go after it; sprinkle a little controversy and you a crazy good time.
Top Leagues in the county 1. Trinity (yeah i know us public school people hate to admit it but it's the best in the county and maybe the state) 2. Sunset (hello, a five way tie for first, tough league with several schools with a very rich football tradition) 3. South Coast (M.V. and S.C. are always top teams and now with Tesoro @ Dana Hills picking it up this league is on the rise) 4. Century always a good league with at least three strong teams 5, Empire another tough league that usually has four teams battling it out 6.Freeway strictly on the strength of there top two teams La Habra @ Fullerton 7. Sea View ,very even with the Empire @ Freeway leages but traditionally only have two solid teams, 8. Pacific Coast 9.Orange only because of Western otherwise i would have them behind the 10. Garden Grove and 11.Golden West 12.Orange Coast
Please, take the Private League bias off the Fryer for once, and set it down on the kitchen counter where it belongs! Case in point: MD loses, they fall 2-3 spots.... rise back to #1 again. Lose again, fall a spot or two max. Rise again, lose again, end up the third best team in their league but #4 in the county? Sure, that is a good league, but those teams have no edge, they are *exactly* comparable to the Sunset or South Coast top-tier teams. Any one of the top 11 could and did beat the others any week, so please stop homering for the Church League!
MKD-- I believe MD was tied for first in their league and after the coin flip was the second seat, maybe they did not drop so far was because who they lost to, strength of schedule may count for something. the OC top ten is like the BCS nobody likes it, understands or cares about it, the good thing is in HS football we do have a playoff
It's more than a little shocking to see LosAl ranked above FV and Newport Harbor since BOTH beat LosAl.
Newport beat LosAl like a drum with over 450 yds total offense, which was 200 yards more than LosAl could muster and even with NH having FOUR turnovers managed to lose.
Come on guys... just because of the luck of the draw and Edison taking Espy for granted because Newport beat Espy 35-6, LosAl could/should be sitting at home or, at best, the Pac-5 at-large team.
FV deserves to be #8 and NH deserves to be #9 and LosAl, at best, deserves to be #10!
beachbum is right NH should be in the playoffs
hands down
I see the south county favortism is still going strong.
MKD you accusing Fryer of church bias is like the pot calling the kettle black. Talk about bias. If you think the Sunset and South Coast leagues are comparable to the Trinity league you must be wearing blinders. It has nothing to do with Church bias and everything to do with football. Sunset and South Coast have some great football teams but at this stage of the season I don't see any of them capable of beating Servite, OLU or Mater Dei.
How does La Habra one week get tired for 9th and win that week and the next get dropped out of the top ten. And from there keep on falling down in the ranks as they keep on winnig.
Because La Habra simply doesn't have the strength of schedule to stay in one spot. Maybe if they were in the Pac 5 it would be different; actually it would be different. Trinity, Sunset, South Coast all have proven year after year that they have top tier programs just because La Habra has had a good two years doesn't mean they are at the same level. Yes, they played two Pac 5 teams this year. Yes, they played them stuff only losing by a combined 14 points. But the fact is they lost, and a lost is a lost whether or not is by one or by 40.
You La Habra people make me sick, you have great pride, but with that pride all you show is arrogance. You want credit, even when it is not desevred. Beat a Pac5 team and maybe it will happen. Carry your heads high, win the southwest division, and come back next year and beat a Pac 5 team.
To clarify on the last point:
La Habra would beat some Pac 5 schools. Valencia beat Capo Valley this year.
But La Habra hasn't beaten a top-10 PAC-5 county school.
How sick do we make you?
Because i was just stating a point of view, but if it makes you sick and gets you all wound up inside maybe you should go see a doctor about your sickness.
In the long run, who cares? The goal is to make it to the playoffs, and once you make it to the playoffs, to win games.
This isn't the BCS. Tesoro and Long Beach Poly are not playing for the CIF Pac-5 SS Championship at this point.
Los Al - # 8 and ranked above two teams they lost to, come on! That draws a flag for illegal substitution! Rich tradition not going to help the fact that they probably have the worse D in the tourney. Newport had 4 turnover vs. Griffs and won, Edison had 3, lost by 4, La Habra had 3, lost by a touch, Espy dominated them but went to sleep in last 5 minutes. EVERYONE can run on them, but as long as Evans, Jenkins, Richardson get off the bus they always are a threat. I doubt Sunset better than SCL this year. Sunset did have great parity, 5 good teams, (NH out of it is sick!) but SCL top 3 better than Sunsets. SCL should perform better than Sunset starting Friday. TRINITY IS the OC standard. Just my opinions, of course, but based on seeing 9 of top 12 teams (except FV, SC) live numerous times each. Kind of weird Espy not in top 10 -everytime La Habra wins they seem to solid but where NH was like 3 years ago, ready to step up and be prime time, to bad they can't re-align and play big time every week. Los AL fan, by the way, just not kool-aid drinker.
cal-hi sports article:
Regular Season Finales A Frenzy
November 16, 2008 11:14 PM
Five-way tie for Sunset League title in SoCal causes stir...
By Mark Tennis & Harold Abend
It was the close of the regular season in high school football for most of the state and while the weekend was marred by disastrous fires it was a weekend where ties created the most headlines.
In the CIF Southern Section's Sunset League, which annually is one of the state's best, the extremely rare five-way tie was the end result of last Friday's games. The five teams involved Edison of Huntington Beach, Esperanza of Anaheim, Fountain Valley, Los Alamitos and Newport Harbor of Newport Beach all finished up with 3-2 league records.
We have always hated games of chance to break ties in these situations, but in this case two forms of chance drawing names out of a hat and flipping coins were both utilized.
First, Newport Harbor was relegated to the fifth spot for section playoff purposes. Since the section's Pac-Five Division only has room for three and then a possible fourth through an at-large process, the Sailors were in effect coin-flipped and hat-drawn out of the playoffs.
Next, Edison had to take the fourth position and made an at-large bid, but the Chargers did not get into the Pac-Five Division as that bid on Sunday instead went to Bishop Amat of La Puente. This leaves Esperanza, Fountain Valley and Los Alamitos as the three teams from the league getting to go to the playoffs.
Five-way ties are indeed extremely rare and would create a nightmare for any tie-breaker system, but three-way ties are not that rare and it's still hard to believe how many leagues and sections around the state still insist that a coin flip or drawing names out of a hat are the best solutions.
Since its own section has had its share of controversial coin flips over the years, the CIF Sac-Joaquin Section has adopted the 13-point margin differential system in breaking ties and early indications are that coaches, players and fans seem to clearly favor it over coin flips.
We believe this system is far superior to coin flips as well and would encourage all leagues and sections to use the same tie-breaker.
It basically goes like this: the point differential between all head-to-head games between the tied teams is added up, except with the stipulation that the most positive points a team can get is 13, which is used to prevent a team from running up the score.
With the five-way tie in the Sunset League creating so much interest, we thought it would be interesting to run those five teams into that format and see what came up.
Ironically, the team that would be in the No. 1 position out of the Sunset League using the Sac-Joaquin system would be Newport Harbor with a +6. Esperanza would be next with a +2, followed by Fountain Valley with a -2. Both Los Alamitos and Edison had a -3, but that tie would then be broken by the head-to-head result and would go to Los Al.
Coin flips will never completely be gone from football, but they should be gone from determining which teams go to the playoffs and which teams are turning in uniforms.
la habra is the utah/boise in oc football. since we are in a league based on school district we get no respect on strength of schedule. take away our weak league schedule/ fullerton included/ and include our pre season results,with head to head,strength of common opponents/including a strong south hillsof covina ,throw in all game stats /3turnovers vs los al in scoring position, a complete devestation of westminster who killed marina and a toe to toe battle against san clemente that ended at the 4 yd line/ the tritons didnt overlook us, in fact the players on the team seemed more fired up that some lower level upstart would dare come in teir house expecting to win, or scared that a lwer level team that should have beatin the mighty griffs might actually win. throw all this together and the results would be lahabra a 3rd seed out of the sunset.
ex lancer/clan dad... LaHabra has a very good team but the step up from a lower division is a huge leap to play consistant ball every week against top 10 or 25 teams. First of all, to insert LH into Sunset and state that LH would have the 3rd seed is a little too much for this fan...
ESPECIALLY WHEN TWO SUNSET CO-CHAMPS WILL BE SITTING AT HOME THIS FRIDAY!
REBUTTAL TO YOUR ASSERTION:
1. No points given for ending up on the 4 yd line when time runs out
2. Westminister beat Marina by only one touchdown
3. Sunset teams scored 205 points vs. Marina: 40+ pts per game
4. Sunset teams only allowed 42 points by Marina: 8.4 pts per game
5. LH maxpreps.com opp strength rating: 13.6
6. Sunset co-champs aver opp strength rating: 31.3 (hi 33.7 lo 28.3)
7. LH maxpreps.com strength rating: 35
8. Sunset co-champs average strength rating: 42.9 (hi 46.6, low 38.1)
9. No points given for turnovers in scoring position.
The LH program is good, but I'm not convinced that it's an automatic playoff team from the Sunset League.
Beachbum,
La Habra this year only!!! would be able to compete with any Pac-5 team. They are the real deal, they can run and pass. They have weapons to score and compete. The only problem with La Habra I saw , would be there defense. The High landers are not a good come from behind team, that is there only weakness. But besides that -they are definetly PAC- 5 material. ONLY THIS YEAR 2008
deee... I know that LH is playing well, but IMHO, depending on your definition of "play with", it's one thing to play with "any" Pac 5 team and something else to assert an "automatic" Sunset League CIFslot. I'm sure a new Pac-5 league could be assembled which would allow LH to not only play with, but win. As it stands now, in the three OC Pac-5 leagues there is so much parity that every league game is critical to win... the gimme games of the old days are long gone in all three OC P5 leagues.
That said, I think a lot of questions will be answered this weekend when the Pac 5 teams start to mix it up. We'll all know a lot more exactly how the SC, Sunset and Trinity teams fare against each other... of course, there's still the Serra league teams and LB Poly in the mix... gonna be interesting indeed.