Pac-5 Division pairings
November 16th, 2008, 10:55 am · 142 Comments · posted by STEVE FRYER, ocvarsity.com
Here are the Pac-5 Division pairings for the CIF-SS football playoffs.
Note that some sites and times will be settled later today or Monday.
(Home team listed first)
Upper bracket:
Long Beach Poly vs. Bishop Amat
Esperanza vs. San Clemente
Mission Viejo vs. Loyola
Servite vs. Lakewood
Lower bracket:
Tesoro vs. Los Alamitos
Mater Dei vs. Long Beach Jordan
Fountain Valley vs. Orange Lutheran
Notre Dame/Sherman Oaks vs. Compton
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Ought to be some interesting conversation at the Barnes family thanksgiving dinner this year....
When and where do these games take place?
well, looks like Servite has this one in the bag....
Should've been Edison!
San Clemente has no more excuses for not getting out of 1st round anymore. Cannot ask for a better draw. Can SC win a "big" game for the 1st time in the last 5 or so years?? Or will SC continue to choke under pressure? We shall see.
what is meant by the upper bracket and lower bracket??
is the fv game gonna b at occ on friday?
Back up the truck, Pancho. What makes you think Servite has this one in the bag? Lakewood has looked good to great these past three weeks with the return of their running back. Their Defense is overwhelming and underestimated. Servite is a great ball club but this is going to be a close one.
Why is everyone whining about Edison? Coach White, a class guy and great coach, is not whining. His guys had their fate in their own hands on Friday night and couldn't get the job done. Beat Espy and win league title. Lose to Espy and go home. Feel good about Amat. They're back and they deserve to be here, even if they get Poly in the 1st round.
What a joke!! Edison beats San Clemente, Fountain Valley and Mater Dei and they're out? Which game would sell more tickets, Poly vs Amat or Poly Edison? Take a guess.
Pancho, I agree with Zev...Just when you think it is in the bag, it just might not be...Just ask Edison....
Hall: Not sure why they call them upper and lower. Suffice to say that it's the 2 brackets. Winner from each bracket plays each other for pac 5 title.
San Clemente is going to get ran out da crip. You must not watch high school football.
Hey Pancho have you seen Lake woods receivers, and QB.
Lake Wood is on track to go deep into the playoffs.
Tesoro was beat twice this year in passing league by Los Al. But Los Al has know defense they should fire that 400 pound defense coach.Football has passed Daddy Barnes buy, And this is coming from the parents that has kidds on the team. I have one and I have coached around half of them. People are not happy In the locker room
Barnes vs Barnes...definitely game of the week. I can think of no better team for Los Al or Tesoro to play. First round, toughest round..one thing for sure. Coach Barnes wil win!
San Clemente is going to get ran out da crip. You must not watch high school football.
Hey Pancho have you seen Lake woods receivers, and QB.
Lake Wood is on track to go deep into the playoffs.
Tesoro was beat twice this year in passing league by Los Al. But Los Al has know defense they should fire that 400 pound defense coach.Football has passed Daddy Barnes buy, And this is coming from the parents that has kids on the team. I have one and I have coached around half of them. People are not happy In the locker room
Barnes vs Barnes...definitely game of the week. I can think of no better team for Los Al or Tesoro to play. First round, toughest round..one thing for sure. Coach Barnes will win!
Don B,
If iam not mistaken, Amat had there own fate in they're hands as well and couldn't get the job done...Why AMAT over Edison...Edison has more wins over CIF teams than AMAT...SC, Los Al, and the win of all wins MD...and still didn't get in...Who did AMAT beat this year, Sevite????
Get Over it Edison fans! OOOOH you were injured. HUH...what happened to all your depth? Houston and Orphey looked average the past three games! Did I mention that you should have beat Esperanza! Your " They should let us in because we are edison " Attitude sucks Stop the crying and go watch some CIF football games there will be some good ones! I know you got the bell...go ahead and bring it to the game with you! What ever happens for FV is better than playing the game with no heart...thats what I saw at the Esperanza game a Edison team play with no heart!
GO Barons!
I'm going to make the prediction right now...Servite vs. Mater Dei in the final. Servite beats Mater Dei for the 1st time in 20 years to win the Pac-5 Division.
I see Servite and Long Beach Poly in the Semi-Finals. I've always wanted to see the whole season a Mission Viejo-Servite matchup to see who the better team really is. The other bracket I see Notre Dame and Mater Dei in the Semi-Finals. I'm sorry but if Mater Dei were to play Tesoro Mater Dei would win and give those Titans a loss. Final prediction: LB Poly-Notre Dame
I agree. Edison has a bunch of sour grapes. They beat an over rated Materi Dei, lost to a bunch of mediorcre teams and didn't look impressive in many of their wins. Amat beat Lutheran, which is a far better team than Edison and Mater Dei. If Olu had been full strength Servite would have fallen too.
Los Al And Amat definitely have the steepest path to follow! As usual, Mater Dei gets the round 1 gimme! Servite and Notre Dame will handle Lakewood and Compton and with the exception of Poly, there goes the Moore League! The Barnes family will definitely be celebrating this year - but it wont be for the Griffins! Look for the Titans to run the table! They're just balanced enough to beat Poly if they can play mistake-proof football! Let the games begin---
To "BaronDad" You sound more like a sour grapes highschool student than a father....grow up !!!
Panchito you just cursed your loser team..
That would be different...A private school guy predicting an all private school final...When will the private schools have their own playoffs? It is sick when 6 out of 16 schools are private schools when there are so many more public schools in the PAC-5...When are you private school people going to admit that there is an unfair advantage to the private schools????
Hey Mike W.
Amat did not beat Servite, but Servite did beat Edison. I guess that puts a wrinkle in your argument for Edison in the playoffs. The playoffs is about winning when it counts...in league. By the way, when Edison beat Mater Dei, Mater Dei was no where near the team there now. Kudos to Orange Lutheran for beating one of the hottest teams in OC last week (Mater Dei).
Los Al should be 10 - 0 but we screwed up on 2 plays that resulted in 2 loses....We will be strong in the playoffs...They Want it this year
Wow,
You made my argument for Edison...My argument wasn't that Servite shouldn't be in, but that Edison should be in over AMAT. If Amat and Edison both lost to Servite then you have to go back to the common team play....Which is MD...Edison beat MD and AMAT didn't????
Hey Baron Fans!! Why don't you stop acting like you have already won the championship and remember that your record was the same as four other teams in the sunset league. Our teams got in by names being drawn and coin flips. None of us was better than the other. And if memory serves me correctly, the AZTECS beat the Barons too!! And while many of you think that we won't get past the first round, I am proud of our team for not giving up. Also, Orange Lutheran is a heck of a team so I wouldn't go around singing about how great you are yet!!
GO AZTECS!!!
I think Tesoro will handle Los Al, they've got more spirit...
Then I think Tesoro plays Mater Dei- rematch from last year.
Let's not forget tesoro was beating mater dei by the end of the first quarter last year, and this year our team is much better. That'll be close.
Then I don't know anything about notre dame so I wouldn't want to make any predictions. But Tesoro has a real shot at going to finals...
Edison fans, GET OVER IT! Coach White is a class act and is no doubt being embarassed by your whining! You didn't get the job done! Let it go and get behind your Sunset League opponents that still have a shot at glory! The playoffs are where heart makes the difference. The Chargers didn't show much against the Aztecs and that's why their season is over---
Note: Edison and San Clemente didn't meet this year.
Next week at this time we'll see half of you guys sitting out.
Fame is fleeting.
Enjoy it while it lasts...
It's only a game after all!
Seal Beach Guy,
It's not about getting over it...It's about understanding the reasoning behind the selections...The reality is that AMAT didn't get it done either, but they were SELECTED to be int he playoffs...Why them over Edison???It just needs to be explained...I find it interesting that the private schools get the playoff berth more often than not even when there are clear arguments to the contrary, Like EDISON beating MD and AMAT not....
By the way, I was at the Esp, Edison game...It wasn't that Edison played "heartless" football, but that Esperanza played Neerly flawless Defense...If the offense didn't fumble the ball on the 20, Edison wouldn't have scored at all...Not becasue Edison was bad but because Kemp and Esperanza put together and executed a great defensive game plan...
By the way,
I am a Los AL grad and will root for Esperanza, Los Al and FV...But still want to understand the SELECTION process of the at large berth...
dude the game against Los AL is goin to be tough 4 us... but i tink picazo and king will set them straight c'mon TITANS!!! is this game goin 2 b televised?
sc is gonna be hard pressed this week, but if any team can rally for a win its SC. They never give up, they were down 35-10 at mission and they brought the score to 42-37, everyone always says sc cant win the big game but this cif means everything
lets go SC
What in the world are the barons doing in CIF? They were a coin flip away from swapping places with Edison. Just based on programs alone, Edison deserves it over the barons. I can't wait to see O LU destroy the barons. Oh and barons pay attention to how a classy team plays football. The baron team and coaches can really learn a lot from playing a top notch program like O LU. Come 09 the barons will be back to reading about CIF in the paper because not even a coin will be able to get them in.
I hear you Mike W. It does indeed seem that the Trinity And Serra leagues seem to get a disproportionate amount of at-large berths in the post-season. I don't know why, either! But the fact of the matter is that Edison controlled its own destiny while the rest of the Sunset League could only sit, wait and watch. They came up short. This season had so many what-ifs. If Los Al makes either of its missed field goals, not to mention the idiotic failed on-side kick to start the 2nd half against Fountain Valley, this whole discussion would be moot. I would rather see Edison in the playoffs, too! I would also love to see the Griffins go all the way! Edison is out and Los Al would have to be perfect and get lucky to boot. I don't see it happening. Nevertheless, Go Griffins!!!!!!
CONGRATULATIONS to TESORO and Coach Barnes !!!
The respect and admiration the players have for Coach Brian Barnes is to be complemented. GOOD LUCK TESORO.....we are VERY proud of your 10-0 Season. GO TITANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meanwhile, all the Orange County rant about whatt schools should be in and what schools are better while in the Shadows the Moore League are talking about spanking every "Palagi" school in Orange County.
Enough with the hate, I know kids from all over Orange County with nephews at Servite, Orange Luthearn, and Fountain Valley. I am close friends with parents from Edison and Mater Dei. It's about Orange County going down and making some noise.
Varsity Times have Long Beach Poly winning the PAC-5 again. Sunset League, Trinity League, and South Coast League who ever plays those Moore League teams play with HEART, SPEED, EXECUTION ON OFFENSE, AND THE BEST DEFENSE EVER PLAYED ALL YEAR.
Sign, Rooting for Orange County
why is tesoro #1 and or favored. over rated. md has been and still is the real deal. sorry tesoro fans but the powder puff southcoast league has been getting more and more embarassing every year. so with that being, said their teams dont stand a chance. oooooooo so you beat MV two years in a row. so what. MD plays legit teams, wins some and lose some but thats what gets them to the semi's year in and year out. Rollo will fire up the D and Barkley will want to go out on top. MD goes back to their ivory tower with a win over poly. and lets all face it, te MD vs. Poly games are traditionaly the best games. theres enough bad blood and respect for mutual talent to fill a stadium.
Fealofani,
We finally agree on something! GO O.C.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seal Beach Gary,
Crunching the numbers shows some private school bias....There are 9 private schools in the PAC-5. 28 public schools in the PAC-5...Yet 6 out of 9 or 2/3rds of the private schools are in the playoffs and yet 10 out of 28 which is jus over 1/3rd of the public schools are in the playoffs...Tell me that private schools don't enjoy the "recruiting" aspect of being private schools...When an athlete who lives in Long Beach can go to MD or O LU or Servite, there is a problem with the system, especially when they compete against schools where that is not possible...
Mike W and Seal Beach Gary you are both wrong there have been kids from the Long Beach, Lakewood, and Cerritos that have enrolled as out of are players in a nearby Sunset League team as a neighboring city. All over Orange County the public schools take out of area kids based on working locations for parents, and families that work in school districts. The parents that can afford to pay will play most likely at private schools, but for most part it's pretty even.
Mike W and Seal Beach Gary you are both wrong there have been kids from the Long Beach, Lakewood, and Cerritos that have enrolled as out of area players in a nearby Sunset League team as a neighboring city. All over Orange County the public schools take out of area kids based on working locations for parents, and families that work in school districts. The parents that can afford to pay will play most likely at private schools, but for most part it's pretty even.
sorry about the double post
Here are the results to the Pac-5 Division pairings for the CIF-SS football playoffs.
Upper bracket:
Long Beach Poly 21 Bishop Amat 10
Esperanza 17 San Clemente 35
Mission Viejo 14 Loyola 28
Servite 17 Lakewood 28
Lower bracket:
Tesoro 28 Los Alamitos 38
Mater Dei 42 Long Beach Jordan 14
Fountain Valley 38 Orange Lutheran 35
Notre Dame/Sherman Oaks 28 Compton 10
SouthCoastFootball
No it's not even...When Public schools are full they do not expand their enrolment to accomodate athletes...Also, with public scholl transfers, the school district that the athlete lives in has the right to DENY the transfer...This doesn't happen when private schools are involved...It's not even close to being fair or "even" as you stated...That is why Private schools have a huge advantage over public schools...It's like comparing a club soccer team to a high school soccer team...There is a reason colleges recruit from club teams more than high school teams for soccer...
don't be surprised to see FV beat OLU. the barons are for real and they got there with thier with the starting QB out and thier best receiver taking his place. FV could have been 9-1 just as easy as LosAl being 10-0. GO BARONS!!!!
marcus you don't know jack...The Barons deserve their place in the playoffs. Edison pulled a good victory against them at the end, but the Barons dominated the entire game. They went into Esperanza win and they are Sunset League Champs....marcus (little man) that created a five-way tie every coach new about the Sunset Doomsday (I called it three weeks ago). As coaches that's where the coin fell. It's the reality of football that sucks, but we honor that.
If any other team would have not made it, Barons or any other team so be it. Better luck the following year, and for next year get serious the Barons will be there again. The Middlebrook show will be back and the O-Line will bigger and faster than this year. Defensively they played 6 juniors so you do the math.
I would like to respond to Mike W's comment regarding public/private school inequities.
There is no doubt that private schools do benefit from their ability to admit students (including athletes) from all over the Southland, but don't go getting all righteous about it. How do you think your alma mater wound up with Clark Evans? All I know is that his freshman year he was at Santa Margarita and his sophomore year he was playing at Los Al. I don't think he was originally from Los Al's area.
Suffice to say - the big time football programs (both private AND public) recruit. Clark Evans is just one example for Los Al (remember Randy Estes?) and Mission Viejo's recruiting is legendary. One more example is Tesoro, which brought in John Michael Davis for his 3rd school in 4 years.
This is year 3 of the PAC 5 with one public and one private champ. Poly is the odds-on favorite to win again this year and many of the public schools are in the mix. So can we stop with the Private/Public talk already and just play football?
Just to add some insight to Mike W. Mater Dei and the Trinity league teams are far better coached and financed schools than some public schools. IE; theymany contenders in the play-offs almost every year. Iing championshiteams. Yet it goes to the credit of the public schools that compete against these establishments. Their almost not high schools. Yet are. The CIF does it's best to keep things balanced. There is more to this, yet I am tired of typing.
SCFOOTBAL
so does everyone get a share of the sunset league title?
B-House yes, everyone will get a co-Sunset League Title
oops:
IE; they (private scho) have many contenders in the play-offs almost every year. as well as championship.
SOUTHCOASTFOOTBAL
sweet probably wouldnt feel as good as winning it by ourselves but at least our seniors get to end it with a sunset league title
well put brett
Mike W.,
I get how you feel, but let's talk reality! Ultimately it comes down to talent. Coaching, practicing, training and motivating are important! Blind fortune even plays a factor! However, talent and personal commitment ultimately make the difference between winning and losing. Great athletes want to play on a stage that showcases their talent and offers them the best opportunity to be identified by those who would move them along, (granted, for selfish reasons), on the fast-track to playing on Saturday and for a very select few, playing on Sunday. With the exception of Long Beach Poly, the private schools can offer that kind of exposure. Parents of these "special" players, given a choice and the means to get it done will most certainly opt for the private school. Wouldn't you?
Hey Mike and Brett you both obviously know your football. Also your both very right.
SCFootbal
Junior All-American football is now high school football with kids in the 6th grade already deciding what High Schools they area going to. Junior All-American teams are getting stacked with great teams and high schools attending those junior all-american games to invite those super athletes. I know that personally so please every school has the chance.
High School Football is big time and causing a lot of raves. It's about the big games, ticket sales, etc. Five State Bowl games in the south, 5 in the north, and 5 superBOWL games at the end. That's H.S. Football. BAAABBBYYYYY
Brett S,
please...Any examples that you can come up with for Los Al and the couple of athletes that they have so called "recruited" do not even compare with the athletes that Mater Dei has had over the years both in Football and Basketball...I think that "recruiting" is probably the wrong word to use, it more like the ability for any athlete to go to private schools no matter where they live vs. some requirements that need to be met for public schools...Tranfers occur with public schools but not nearly to the extent that private schools, which in and of itself, is an advantage to the private schools.Also, if you look across the nation, California is one of very few states that still combine public and private schools for championships...Texas, New York and Florida all have seperate playoffs and don't combine these divisions until the state playoff. why can't California do the same???
The Sunset league deserved the at-large berth period!!!!!
Private schools always will have the advantage fealofani
and the public schools still make a stand every year!!
As for Edison, they have 9 starters hurt, there is NO question that if Edison was healthy all year they would have beat Servite, Los Al and Esperanza. Next year they will be #1 in the OC, their juniors are Amazing!
Mike W - if you are an athlete your transfer will be accepted please don't make excuses for public school football programs because they don't. They are excited to play the private schools and make some noise.
Mike W - why??? If you're an athlete you want to play the best programs to test your team and test yourself as an athlete. We had a Sunset League public school beat a Trinity League team this year. How many out of area kids do you think they have? I know.....
I am not making any excuses for any public school...I was an athlete at Los Al for 4 years and am proud of that fact...Poly, a public school is one of the best programs nationa wide and has put more athlete into the NFL than any other prgram in the nation by far...It not about making excuses, it's about fairness in competition...One great program like Poly, does not make up the difference in bias towards the private schools...In order to make CIF more fair there should be seperate playoffs, That doesn't mean that public schools wouldn't be able to play private schools, most leagues have pre-league games that can be scheduled against whomever they want...Plus the State playoff system...
Mike W - are you only talking about Orange County Schools because Long Beach Poly is a public magnet school that won last year and beat those private schools. I admit the private system has the advantage with a great reputation which draws kids, but not all kids are likely drawn to that. In addition, parents want a school program that has Christian Values focused on the curriculum.
fealofani......you really don't know what you are talking about!
If you start at a public school you can not transfer to another public school...but...if you start at a public school you can always transfer to a private school and lay....how is that even?
Also who says they like to play the private schools???
If we stopped playing them in the PAC-5 many players will stay at their public schools and the public schools will dominate! The public education in the OC is excellent and their is no reason to go to a private school unless it is for religious reasons.
Oh, yes, Let's not forget about the north...Does Concorde De La Salle ring a bell to anyone??? if they weren't a private school, do you think that their unbeaten national record world have lasted as long as it did??? I think not, or better yet, if they had to complete with the private schools down here year in and year out, would it have gone as long as it did??? I thnk not, all of those athletes that they got up in Northern Cal. would have been devided by O Lu, Servite, Amat, Mater Dei, Rancho Santa Margarita etc, etc, etc...Do I need to continue???
Mike - I am in agreement, but that is California for you. Those parents motivated to draw their kids from the negative public school environment may want a stronger and better environment and are drawn to the private systems and by the way their kid is a superATHLETE
Mike - great argument with the northern private programs. North they do have a disadvantage with not a lot of good strong public programs coming out of the North.
QUIT CRYING EDISON!!! Friday night Edison played Esperanza for the league title and a playoff spot, they lost.... Someone was whining about injuries, what team doesn't have injuries at the end of the season. The 2 teams that were playing the best in the Sunset the last 3 weeks were Fountain VAlley and Newport Harbor. NH beat Espy 35-6, and Edison can't score more than 3, WHAT WAS THAT???
Sorry fealafani... I guess we should all jump on the baron bandwagon..You do the math....The baron program had luck on their side with the coin flip.. They should schedule a tougher preseason schedule. They played a legit Tesoro Team and lost ( let me guess that was early before the barons got good) Then they scheduled little ole Pacifica( which was a close game) and Aliso Niguel. Come on, thats a Pop Warner schedule... Tell em to schedule a big boy schedule next year for preseason and maybe they'll get some respect( but I doubt it).
Greendog,
I find it interesting that you focus just on the last three games of the season...Does that mean that the last three games of the season should decide the playoff berths???We shouold just forget thatother seven games that were played? That is just rediculous, NH you said was one of those teams and they are not in...Should they have recourse? I am not understanding the hostility towards Edison...I am not an Edison fan, in fact I am a Los Al grad. But The fact still remains, Amat did not earn the right to play in the playoffs any more than Edison did...They were selected by people using a subjective criteria...My question still remains why Amat over Edison???Is it becasue they are a private school and Edisona public...Or was their schedules and records looked at objectvly??? Edison beat Mater Dei and Amat didn't...The third criteria after Record (both 7-3) and Head to Head (they didn't play eachother) is Common Teams played against...Once again, why Amat and NOT Edison?
Mission viejo wil be lucky to get past the first round. reason: not because there is a lack of talent. no, it will be the ego staff... uh, i mean the coaching staff trying to pad the individual stats. go cubs!!!!!
MIke W. I totally agree with you. The private schools should have their own playoffs and public school there own. They could each win a CIF title then play each other in State Competition, I know for a fact of students that have gone on to play at Mater Dei who went as "hardship" cases that did not have to pay any tuition. Several of them live in large homes with well-to-do parents, but because of their athletic ability they go to these private schools for free...not just football either....and this goes way back to the 1980's....maybe even before that but the ones I know of were in the 80's as they were friends of my sons.
I focus on the last 3 games to illustrate how teams are playing as they prepare for the playoffs. Edison had the chance to make the playoffs by winning a game on the field Friday night , they didn't. There is no other way to say it, "They lost the GAME!!" THerefore they didn't earn theright to go to the playoffs. If Edison had won there is a good chance that Los Al would have been the at large because they beat the league champ and the # 1 seed in the LA city section & they are 8-2, but this was irrelevant because edison could not take care of business. Bottom lin they got whipped by a team in all rights they should have beat. So I say again quit whining and win the games you are supposed to!!!
You completely missed the point...I was at the game and saw them lose to Esperanza...I don't dispute that...My question still goes unanswered by you or any other person on this site...Why Amat and not Edison? While looking athese two two, all that you said applies to both teams...Amat lost their last game to put them out as well BUT someone decided that they were better and were SELECTED and not earned it...Why???
I don't think Edsion is crying just the facts Sunset League should have the at-large berth.
If it was Los Al FV espy of NH, The Sunset league should have 4 teams in the playoffs! There should not be an argument on who beat who Greendog because you only get to a 5 way tie when everyone wins 3 and loses 2. NH beat Espy and Edison beat NH, Fv beat Los Al and Los Al beat Edison.....you can not look at it that way! Have a clue Greendog!
Mike W.,
Ask Fryer! He called it in advance ! Maybe he can explain it to all of us!? What about it, Mr Fryer? What do you know that we don't know?
wow. tough luck for the teams that didn't make it. I am a los al fan and have a kid on the team. I feel for Edison and Newport Harbor. Edison is a solid progam and a class act. I wish they'd made it. Newport Harbor played a great game against us, so I think they also deserved to go. But the teams that are going deserve it too. Tough league this year.
and as far as the comments by blondefan go, don't. Comment on the game and coaching if you want, but personal attacks on the coaches are out of line here. Coach Sher is an absolute defensive (and football) genius. We did not have a good defensive game against Newport Harbor, but that is one game. And even in a bad game, we still caused 4 turnovers. My kid plays defense and thinks Coach Sher is a football god.
And as far as John Barnes goes, I disagree with his play calls several time per game, but he did not get where he is without doing something right. I hope he watches film and adjusts against Tesoro this week, but in the end I stand behind his decisions. This is going to be a weird game against his son. Best wishes to the entire Barnes family.
Let the games begin!
Seal Beach,
This is what I know about hte selection...There are 5 criteria that they use in this order...
1. Overal Record
2. Head to Head
3. Common Opponents
4. Strength of Schedule
5. Strength of League...
The only thing I can guess is that the first two don't apply because their records were identical at 7-3, they did not play head to head. Edison wins the common Opponenets argument due to beating MD and Amat losing to MD, but Edison loses the last two arguments of strngth of schedule and strength of League...Although it is arguable with strength of schedule...
Its no longer a matter of public vs private schools. its now the "haves" and the "have-nots" first and formost you must have an excellent football coach who is a great leader.who can put together a great staff, raise big money, and is a proven WINNER!!!
These days the parents scout the program.they look at wins,facilities,staff, and overall program.A coach must be elite in all the above to attract the best athletes.
mission viejo, tosoro,& san clemente (public) can compete wth any private school. THEY "HAVE" IT.
footballfan... the point I was making is how the teams in the Sunset league finished the season, ie the last 3 games. I agree that Newport should have gone based on how they finished the season. I also feel that FV earned a spot by how well they played this year. My other point was that Edison did not earn a spot because they lost 2 of there last 3 games. I feel the other thing that should be considered for an at large berth is how a team is playing at the end of the season. Edison was playing poorly! That does not impress the people doing the seeding clearly. I do not disagree that the Sunset could have had an at large berth however it was not going to be Edison based on how they finished the year!!
Mike W.,
AMAT never played MD.
HBD,
Mater Dei no longer recruits, it is against CIF rules and its sad that people continually attack MD just because it has great coaches and exceptional athletes. THe reason why people from all over SoCal come to MD is because they know they have that. I myself transferred to MD not only for Track and Field but for its incredible education and my whole life direction has been changed. I am currently talking to admissions advisors at USC when just two years ago i didnt even think i could make it to college
Greendog,
Once again you missed the point...Amat did the same...Lost 2 of their last 3...The comparisons are not between other sunset league teams, that has been decided already..The comparison is between Amat and Edison????
Newport Harbor was peaking at the right time. Beat Los Al in spite of 4 turnovers, crushed Esperanza, shoulda, woulda, coulda......Too bad the team that was playing the best in the sunset league at the end of the season is out.......
landon taylor & HBD..... please read my entry @ 2:50pm. your right schools dont recruit,,,, parents do!
LT,
As much as I respect your opinion, I have first hand experience of Mater Dei recruiting. It is not whether they do it or not, it is how much...
Great Discussions everyone, but the seeding is set and let the playoffs begin. It wouldn't have mattered anyone getting the at-large berth will and would have lost against Long Beach Poly. Long Beach Poly will come out of the upper bracket.
The lower bracket is up in the air between a great series of games. Who is going to throw well and play excellent defense. GO ORANGE COUNTY SCHOOLS.
It is against CIF rules for any private schools to recruit, but their reputation attracts the superATHLETES.
Public school kids can transfer from one public school to anther and be able to play. Freshmens after their first year have a free transfer. Sophomores and Juniors have to sit their Varsity year and play JV up to the playoffs.
football fan please excuse yourself from the post because that's all you are a fan, a pretender, a non-athlete, the water boy, the sign holder, the wannabe.
I am the gamer, player, skull crusher, break a facemask and cut my face with the bar, knock opponents out, knock snotboogers out of opponents nasal cavity, break a pinkie bend it back tape it to my ring finger go back in the game. Career ended by MCL tear and ruptured achilles. Played with the best and against the best in the 80's.
fealofani
You must be one of the teams I beat to be CIF champions in 1985, I thought you can be an athlete and a fan? See I grew up ....I am now a fan since I no longer play the sport of football
i agree with you Joe the plumber,
the reason kids come from different counties is because they go to private schools in different counties and their parents want them to continue that religious education and they want them to go to the best ones especially if they are athletes so naturally they will chose a MD or a Servite, Olu Bishop Amat, etc. you cant call that unfair for someone just wanting to continue their child's religious education. i go to MD and almost all of my friends come from private middle schools. they were not previously talked to by anyone.
Let me put it this way, We are all right in our opinions. None of us are wrong. We will all defend the schools who we call ours! Remember Injuries are a part of the game. This is a violent game, FV has had there share.
After thinking about my comments. We are all at fault for putting each other down! Everyone, including me! Good luck to the teams still in this! I will be cheering for all teams in the Sunset league! Keep in mind we don't play this game the boys do! anything could happen! Sometimes words can be sharper than a knife!
Showing My Baron Pride!
BaronDad
Hey Marcus, please do not jump on the bandwagon, we do not need pepole like you who don't know what they are talking about. There is no such thing as luck when it somes to sports, you either win or lose. Fountain Valley earned there spot in the playoff , even if Edison had won we still would have been in second place. As far as the schedule is concerned it doesn't matter who we played as long as we won, league is where it counts. Stop hating and just watch the playoff's.
as a former player on the aztecs team i know through experience that the coaches will push them to the limit and make them understand that this is CIF, not league not preseason but CIF. i hve talked to the members on the V team and they all have told me that the players have taken this season very lightly, but now that they are in the CIF they are working hard, lifting hard and preforming great! i personally think jared moore is one of the best in so cal. he is very explosive and can dominate his assigned gap.
Edison fans need to stop whining about the loss on friday. it was a win espy deserved. dont complain cuz ur hurt. almost our whole O line is hurt so dont complain! we still won. we have VERY short CBs and they have gotten the job done for us this season. they have worked hard and i can see them in the second round. after i see how well they play against SC i can only predict how they will do in the second round.
AZTEC FAN FOREVER
Amat beat OLU. The Lancers were up 24-0 early in the 2nd and lost focus. The Amat boys kept playing hard and deserved the win. Servite beat OLU when they stopped us twice on 4th and shorts in the red zone. So OLU defeats Mater Dei (a great game by both schools) who had beaten Servite. serfvite's overall record was 7-3 while OLU and MD were 8-2. Servite (for the second year) gets the 1 seed. Really does not matter as should have to beat the best to be the champs anyway,
Good Luck to all in the playoffs.
SORRY TO SEE EDISON DIDNT MAKE IT.THEY DESERVED IT.ALL SUNSET LEAGUE TEAMS DID EXCEPT MARINA.TO MARCUS WE LOST TO TESERO WHEN WE LOST STARTING QB IN 2ND QT.WE WERE DOWN 29-14 ON THE 30YARD GOING IN FOR TD.WHEN YOU KNOCKED OUT MIDDLEBROOKS WITH 6 MINUTES TO PLAY.AS FAR AS PACIFICA WE BEAT THEM BY AT LEAST 17POINTS WASNT EVEN CLOSE.ALSO MATER DEI FANS YOU STILL RECRUIT LIKE ALL YOUR PRIVATE SCHOOLS.GO BARONS BEAT ORANGE LUTHERAN & ALL THEIR TRANSFERS ALL OVER O.C.
Servite does not have anything in the bag. The Lakewood Lancers have everyone back. Their defense is playing great and also they got back their #1 running back.
Play time is over, let the REAL programs proudly stand up and be accounted for. This is when pretenders, dreamers and wanttabes will fold up tent and go back to their sorry little leagues. There is only one True time tested H.S. football powerhouse........ LONG BEACH POLY. With a level #1 QB ( Barkeley being a level #9 QB) , zero passing game. Poly has real chance to win the PAC-5 championship. Just think what the jackrabbits could do with a REALLY mediocre QB. Melvin Richardson and Daveon Barner are two names to watch during the second season. Notwithstanding this is a year without any true superstars. I love OC high school football especially all the GREAT quarterbacks, but my heart is still with the GREEN and GOLD. Long Beach Poly campus is 6.88 miles from Orange County, yet you would think they were a school from the other side of Calif.
Good Luck to all the teams. 6.88 miles from being the BEST TEAM in ORANGE COUNTY and one of the best teams USA. Go Jackrabbits.
football fan did you go to Saddleback?
Mike W.,
I understand the selection model. However, since items 1, 2 and 3 don't help with the selection, its left to items 4 and 5. Item 4, strength of schedule, reveals that the winning % of Edison's opponents, both non-league and league, was .591. Bishop Amat's opponents % was .604. That means a difference of .013. 1.3% is statistically insignificant. No help there unless the pure math rules. Item 5 is strength of league. HMMMMMMM! The winning percentage of the Sunset League teams was .620. The Serra League's winning percentage was .604. A difference of .016. 1.6% is, again, statistically insignificant. Again, no help there unless pure math rules. So, strength of schedule and strength of league cancel each other out. Now what?????????????
Was the choice of Amat simply nostalgic? Harkening back to the Halcyon days of Pat Haden to John McKay, Jr. and John Sciarra? Bishop Amat at one time was the prime breeding ground for the mighty Trojans. Was it nostalgia, reminisced over in a cigar smoke filled room? Did they consult an oracle, use a Ouija board?
I don't know , Mike! Sorry I can't help you but thanks for caring and being so passionate about it You do the Griffins proud!
Crystal Ball Time: LB Poly vs San Clemente; Mission Viejo vs Servite, Tesoro vs Mater Dei, Orange Lutheran vs Notre Dame after Thanksgiving. After that it will be: LB Poly vs Mission Viejo; Tesoro vs Orange Lutheran. And finally we will see LB Poly vs Tesoro play with Tesoro winning.
anon.,
I want you wake and apologize to all POLY fans for dreaming Tesoro could beat LB POLY. you are forgiven if you been eating too much turkey( L-TRIP fan). Good luck Tesoro
i'm not going to say the scores but i will tell you the final 4.
Top Bracket
Poly vs Lakewood
Lower Bracket
Tesoro vs Orange Lutheran
seems like were always the underdog oh well time for us to prove them wrong
Hey joe have you hit your head recently? It sounds like you were trying to say that the barons could have actually beaten Tesoro. The barons could have had their qb and five middlebrooks, and still not beaten Tesoro. As far as the Pacifica game, the barons won by 14 and one of those td's was scored with 5 seconds left in the game. A real good team would have blown Pacifica out. But like the baron in the house says,it doesn't matter who you play as long as you win. I suggest you take Tesoro and other legit Pac 5 schools off the preseason schedule because as O LU will show you Friday, the barons can't compete.
marcus just wait and see wat happens friday
56% of the teams in the PAC-5 championship are from the OC and NONE can beat Long Beach POLY. The team without a quarterback, can POLY borrow one of the OC jr. varsity QBs so Poly can run the table on Tesoro, MD , Epsy, Mission lameo, FV, San Clem who?, and the other pretenders. TESORO Coach Brain Barnes dial 562- 591-0581 and tell coach Laura you want a shot at the best H.S. Football program in the United States for next years schedule. Good luck all teams.
bhouse I know its been awhile since the barons have been to CIF, but the post season is for good teams...But you're right, wait til Friday and you'll see my point.
and you'll see my point when you see how close it is
Wow...so you're actually going for a moral victory..as long as the score is close the barons can't claim a victory. But I guess if I were a baron fan I guess thats the best I would hope for as well. bhouse if O LU has more points, the barons lose.
Oh and looks like david anaheimhills is a true poly fan. He does'nt even know the poly coach is LARA not Laura...
never said we were gonna lose
I love when none of you clowns mention O LU to the finals.Stay tuned.
While I'm enjoying this private vs. public school banter and Barnes vs. Barnes novelty item, can any football fan(s) share their experience of their team playing Servite? Meaning, what should Lakewood fans be looking for? No surprise, I'm supporting the underdog, Lakewood. I witnessed their heartbreaker last year against Esperanza...
For the record, at this point in the season all these playoff schools have great coaching, leadership, etc... Barnes elder may have lost a few steps in the past three years but he has his teams playing well and that Clark QB is a specimen. I think he takes over in the second half and I predict a Los Al win.
fealofani
No I played for Pac-5 Div. I Edison
i'm not an edison fan, but they did beat mater dei who spanked bosco who spanked loyola who beat amat. i think the cif is just trying to bring back some of the old glory days of bishop amat. they don't even belong in the playoffs. neither does loyola or l.b. jordan or lakewood.
Wow, all you moms and dads really are getting into this.
Well, as a current FV student, I wish for the best for the Barons, of course, and all the other teams, as they all played very hard and deserved to have a spot in the CIFs.
Yes, Edison could've, would've, and should've... But we all could've, would've, and should've won the lottery if we picked the right numbers, but we didn't. I think Edison played tremendously well this year, and I'm sure they're going to kick some more butt next year as well.
Lakewood doesn't belong in the playoffs with an on-field record of 8-2? Right. In any case, I think Edison got the bad end of the league rankings. They should have been ahead of Los Al. For the record, Newport Harbor deserved it more than Los Al. This has been a year of parity.
i agree with HS football fan.
anon KEEP dreaming. first off MD is going to finally put a cap on all this tesoro arrogance. Second there is NO way tesoro could be LB POLY.
Emily, if you really are a h.s. student, somehow I don't think you are, but if you are, you're very wise for your age. And for the record, I'm not a mom or a dad, just a young dude that should get a life. lol
All I know is look out for my Edison Chargers next year! They started a boat load of Juniors and Sophs this year. Their Jr. middle linebacker, Zumwalt is a stud. They should be ranked in the national top ten next year.
The C.I.F. Southern Section is clueless. They can't figure it out until they make themselves look foolish. Wasn't to long ago that they allowed the C.I.F. Championships to finish in a tie.
Poly vs Tesoro! Poly wins 28-14.
Oaks Christian would destroy anyone in California.
The Ausega Brothers against each other.....Kapono versus Keanu who will win this household will have a lot tension this week with brothers playing against each other in the playoffs. JK they love each other and wish each other the best......
Servite my nephew Kirifi is a 6'5" 275 lb. fullback running a 4.8 will get his on both sides of the ball. DT and FB #42
to Mike W. and Fealofani,
Two county teams, Dana Hills and Edison, were eligible for the Pac-5 at-large berth, as was St. John Bosco of Bellflower. The Serra League's Bishop Amat of La Puente got it, edging out Edison of the Sunset League, based mostly on two factors: strength of schedule (Bishop Amat opponents were a cumulative 61-39, and Edison's opponents were 57-42) and the playoff committee's assessment that the Serra League was stronger overall than the Sunset.
(straight from OCvarsity article)
I would like to comment on the Edison v. Amat discussion. I agree with the Sunset League posters that Edison is probably more deserving of the at-large selection, due in large part the outstanding records of the teams that tied for first place. It is sad (not unlike the BCS) that two deserving teams were excluded by virtue of an arbitrary tie-breaker method.
That being said, I think the Edison decision came down to 2 factors -
1. Edison's loss to Servite and
2. Orange Lutheran's win over Mater Dei
#1 is self explanatory, but the reasoning for #2 is that Edison defeated Mater Dei and Amat defeated Lutheran - which defeated Mater Dei. I believe if Mater Dei had defeated Lutheran then Edison would be playing Poly on Friday. These selection committees use this type of logic (however flawed it may be) in their decision-making process. I do not think it is a private vs. public thing.
It seems like in this day and age that league playoff participants and their seedings could be formulated using more objective criteria, but I will save that argument for another day.
The biggest travesty in the PAC 5, however, is not the at-large team selection process - it's the Moore League (the league in which I played back-in-the-day) having 4 automatic qualifiers! In the past two PAC 5 playoffs Moore teams not named LB Poly have won 1 game. Up until this year the #4 Moore team has also had a losing record! I think virtually all of us can agree that Edison and Newport Harbor would be at least as deserving as either LB Jordan or Compton.
football fan great discussion good luck to everyone in the playoffs. God Bless and the anaheim hills guy who's rooting for poly go back to long beach...
GO ORANGE COUNTY
what can you guys tell me at Esperanza?
Wow, I can't believe the tunnel vision here. I understand the OC bias but really a lot of uneducated comments, especially Goodwin who thinks Oaks Christian could "destroy" anybody in California, laughable. That team plays no one and even by Coach Redell's admission, couldn't keep up with the schedule of any of the teams in the Pac 5. All in good fun I suppose, but will love to see the posts once everyone get a good look at Sherman Oaks Notre Dame. And what's up with that upper bracket. Poly will skate through it. Seems like the lower bracket was built to soften up whoever comes out of it to meet Poly since as so many here feel the public schools are at such a disadvantage!!!! Let the games begin....
Marcus, you talk about real goods teams blowing other teams out, what about the Tustin /O'Lu game? Tustin is not even a Pac-5 team however they held O'Lu to ten points. You talk as if teams that haven't made the playoff in years can't have a good season and make it back to CIF. The Barons proved a lot of people wrong and if they do lose to O'Lu at least they can say they made it to play-offs. Ask the coaches at Tesoro, Edison, Esperanza and Newport Harbor how the Barons played. They are a legit Pac-5 team.
FV vs. O Lu - one thing is fore sure OLu has not seen a running back like Middlebrooks all year. A return specialist, a running back you think is down and next thing you know he's gone. Tesoro, Esparanza, and Edison know about Middlebrook.
Tesoro will know what speed is like going into the playoffs. Middlebrook is the only running back from the Trinity, Sunset, and South Coast Leagues ranked in the top 5 in every running back category...NOW WHAT.
If they had ranking for special teams returners he would be #1 in California among the Division I and in the PAC-5.
fealofani
good luck to your nephew at Servite.....there will be some great football the next few weeks!
B in the House- FV is a legit Pac-5 team
Hey this Middlebrook guy is one man.FV will find out what a team looks like.O LU plays team football.This team is unselfish
and do not play up any person as a star.O LU has many weapons
and I cant wait until I see how FV tries to defend them.If FV thinks that superman Middlebrooks can carry their team,bring it.O LU is underrated,improving,very banded together,football TEAM! Oh yea and if you ever followed O LU you would know that they do not try to run up scores on anybody. A true class outfit,a true class team ,and a true class coaching staff.
hey triton!
The aztecs have an AMAZING defense. in my mind there defense is the most underrated in the league. the aztecs have a great running game in drew hundsfelt and jared moore. they also use sean mcdonald as well. all three of them are amazing runners that are versitile and will dominate their gap. They do need to work on their passing game but its not bad at all. hayden peirce is great WR and they should also give some attention to him.
on the defensive side they have some of the nastiest LBs. dane poole is an animal that can cover play 1-1 and tackle like a beast. sean avila is their nose tackle that is amazingly fast and can tackle in the back field.
coack kemp (there defensie coordinater) has prepared this defense since the summer.
The offense needs to pick up there passing game and stop making turnovers.
hope that helps!
I’m amazed at the vitriol that comes out in the “private schools have all the advantages” whining that is so prevalent in the OC. It’s a fact that public schools have always had a significant advantage, what with taxpayer millions, state financed facilities, and local community support for decades and decades. Only recently has a small fraction of elite private schools been able to compete against the overwhelming advantages of much bigger public schools with their larger enrollments, acres and acres of practice fields and publicly financed stadiums.
For every Servite, Mater Dei, and even latecomer OLU, there are hundreds of tiny private schools, barely able to recruit (yes, they have to recruit all their students because the local public school is free) enough students to pay the bills, and even field a team, or a band, etc. Look at the lower level basketball playoffs and you will always see most of the games played at YMCA’s and parks, because most of the schools don’t even have a gym, let alone the two gyms that most public schools have.
For every Oaks Christian and St. Margaret’s that have been successful in raising a few million dollars here or there for facilities, there are dozens of private schools that can’t charge enough tuition to pay their teachers (2/3 what the public teachers get btw) or else most of their clientele won’t be able to afford to attend.
With the state opening charter schools and magnets everywhere, these private schools face tremendous competition now, and often just hope to be able to offer competitive athletic programs to give their kids a well-rounded experience. Last year I heard that Port of Los Angeles Charter high school finally got their $17.5 million check from the state – and their administrators were upset because it took so long and they had to wait nine months for it! Wow! I can feel their pain.
Having been a H.S. and college coach in Illinois, Neb, as well as Calif. I can sympathize with those who think the transfer rules should be tightened, but then again, how ridiculous is it that in America, “Land of the Free” the gov’t can tell you where you have to go to school!
Zev - Thanks, ahah. But yeah, I really am a student (sophomore actually), and lately all this football stuff has been really interesting to me. Ask my friends, I got all hyped up over the weekend because we made playoffs, lol. Still debating on whether or not I should ditch my friends and not watch Twilight in order to watch us play against Orange Lutheran this Friday, since we haven't gone to CIFs since 2004.
Ahh, sorry, I didn't really mean everyone here were moms and dads, it just seemed like there were a lot of them (ex. BaronDad, TesoroGrandma). (:
Well said Wamo33. I have never heard it put so eloquently.
Emily- You're more articulate than some of us that happen to be a "few" years older than you...ahem. Especially as a sophomore in h.s. Must be that orange county public education..yikes, that will stir the pot! Here's my advice, skip Twilight, it will still be there the week after. FV may lose and not have a playoff run for a long time.
And, no need to apologize, no offense taken. Enjoy your football teams success.
Tony W, I guess you have not been watching the games FV have played, if you had you would know that they are not a one man team and they can't help it if they have one of the best RB's in the county. Kyle knows all about O'Lu, he played with most of the boys on that team when he played on Carson's Jr.All American team. he also knows them from the track club he ran with in Compton. You know nothing about Fountain Valleys football team, I can say the same thing you said about O'LU. Foutain Valley is underrated,improving,very banded together,football TEAM! Oh yea and if you ever followed Fountain Valley you would know that they do not try to run up scores on anybody. A true class outfit,a true class team ,and a true class coaching staff . How you like that?
When it comes to football this year, nothing has been in the bag. I have had one of the most entertaining years monitoring this site and traveling to games out there as ever. Traditional power house programs are all present with some disappointments and new arrivals. Playoffs are the 2nd season! Win or go home and that's it. Coaches who are able to reach the kids get results. PAC 5 football represents the elite programs. More Div 1 players out of this division than any other in OC. I am looking forward to Friday night. Rivals has two programs out here ranked in the top 50 that I would say could play with the PAC5 playoff teams; Scottsdale Saguaro, and Chandler Hamilton. Expect Poly to win out because for those kids it is tradition and a gateway to opportunity. After week one of playoffs we will see if the Trinity League is as strong as it is believed to be by who survives first round. Good Luck and remember - WIN OR GO HOME!!
I wanted to make an annotation to the above post; Saguaro and Hamilton could play, just not win.
Predictions Week one winners
Poly - Win out
Esperanza
Mission
Servite - Semis
Los Al
MD - Semis
O-Lu
Notre Dame - Final