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	<title>Comments on: Babovic bid for varsity eligibility denied (updated)</title>
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		<title>By: Be realistic!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Be realistic!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having had much experience with the CIF, (not specifically the Southern Section), and reveiwing their charter, which by the way all should read, this body has consistently failed, like most of our public agencies, to take into account the only ones hurt by their draconian approach to these situations, the student or kid. The CIF has over the years set it itself as a protectorate of the schools and more specifically the petty issues of parents, principals, AD&#039;s and coaches. Ask yourselves this, outside of the apportionment issue, who is really the only one hurt by these ridiculous decisions?And by the way everyone of these folks hides behind the bureaucracy they have created and only crawl out from under their rock when they are either in numbers or are &quot;lawyered up.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having had much experience with the CIF, (not specifically the Southern Section), and reveiwing their charter, which by the way all should read, this body has consistently failed, like most of our public agencies, to take into account the only ones hurt by their draconian approach to these situations, the student or kid. The CIF has over the years set it itself as a protectorate of the schools and more specifically the petty issues of parents, principals, AD&#8217;s and coaches. Ask yourselves this, outside of the apportionment issue, who is really the only one hurt by these ridiculous decisions?And by the way everyone of these folks hides behind the bureaucracy they have created and only crawl out from under their rock when they are either in numbers or are &#8220;lawyered up.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DOUBT IT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOUBT IT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on...we all know they recruited him...a Serbian &quot;national team pipeline&quot; goalie did not just show up on the deck for a division 1 team out of the blue...a team that needs a goalie and is not doing as well as people thought they would have...that is way to big of a coincidence to be a random pick...the host family has a kid who is on the polo team...come on y&#039;all, dont be fooled...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on&#8230;we all know they recruited him&#8230;a Serbian &#8220;national team pipeline&#8221; goalie did not just show up on the deck for a division 1 team out of the blue&#8230;a team that needs a goalie and is not doing as well as people thought they would have&#8230;that is way to big of a coincidence to be a random pick&#8230;the host family has a kid who is on the polo team&#8230;come on y&#8217;all, dont be fooled&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DAN ALBANO, ocvarsity.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAN ALBANO, ocvarsity.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bonwilk - you raise some excellent questions

The CIF state commissioner and section assistant commissioner Kristine Palle were pretty clear that enrollment begins the first day a students actually attend class. There also was mention that there is a qualifying standard of eight or nine days of consecutive attendance as well.

I&#039;m not sure but I think freshman escape transfer rules because they are technically not enrolled in a high school school. They get to shop around until they make a decision, then the rules apply.

As for your question about the transferring students and summertime -- I think the answer might lie in the time of the year we see so many transfers. We see them late in the spring. Kids enter the new school in spring, establish enrollment and then participate in the summer.

The problem with Babovic is that he had contact with the CdM program before he had established enrollment. Most of the foreign exchange stories I heard that have worked out are when the kid just shows up one day on the pool deck or on the football field looking to play.

Interestingly, the judge asked the state commissioner and anyone in the courtroom to find him a definition of enrollment in the CIF bylaws and it could not be found. That will probably change after this case -- at least it should.

The individual sections in the state provide this info on enrollment and its practical application in training seminars with athletic administrators but I think this case shows that it needs to be defined in writing some how.

I&#039;ll ask the Southern Section about my answers and if needed, will add to my response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bonwilk &#8211; you raise some excellent questions</p>
<p>The CIF state commissioner and section assistant commissioner Kristine Palle were pretty clear that enrollment begins the first day a students actually attend class. There also was mention that there is a qualifying standard of eight or nine days of consecutive attendance as well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure but I think freshman escape transfer rules because they are technically not enrolled in a high school school. They get to shop around until they make a decision, then the rules apply.</p>
<p>As for your question about the transferring students and summertime &#8212; I think the answer might lie in the time of the year we see so many transfers. We see them late in the spring. Kids enter the new school in spring, establish enrollment and then participate in the summer.</p>
<p>The problem with Babovic is that he had contact with the CdM program before he had established enrollment. Most of the foreign exchange stories I heard that have worked out are when the kid just shows up one day on the pool deck or on the football field looking to play.</p>
<p>Interestingly, the judge asked the state commissioner and anyone in the courtroom to find him a definition of enrollment in the CIF bylaws and it could not be found. That will probably change after this case &#8212; at least it should.</p>
<p>The individual sections in the state provide this info on enrollment and its practical application in training seminars with athletic administrators but I think this case shows that it needs to be defined in writing some how.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll ask the Southern Section about my answers and if needed, will add to my response.</p>
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		<title>By: bonwilk</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonwilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?  The CIF&#039;s argued &quot;enrollment&quot; begins the day a students begins to attend class!  

That means EVERY incoming 8th grader that participates in practice, leagues, or tournaments the summer before their freshmen year is in violation of pre-enrollment contact.  How about the student transferring to a new school?  That student no longer can participation with the new school the summer before they attend A CLASS or that would be in violation of CIF&#039;s NEW definition of enrollment.

I&#039;ve worked in high schools for many years and as far as enrollment goes, the understanding has always been that once a student has REGISTERED and they&#039;re in the new school&#039;s computer they&#039;ve ENROLLED.  Then that student is okay to participate in summer programs and the new school&#039;s coaching staff may communicate with that student and family.

The Watsons registered Martin Babovic in March?  And the Judge determined there was Random placement and no prior contact with Babovic . . . what is the issue of him playing a summer contest with CDM in Hungary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?  The CIF&#8217;s argued &#8220;enrollment&#8221; begins the day a students begins to attend class!  </p>
<p>That means EVERY incoming 8th grader that participates in practice, leagues, or tournaments the summer before their freshmen year is in violation of pre-enrollment contact.  How about the student transferring to a new school?  That student no longer can participation with the new school the summer before they attend A CLASS or that would be in violation of CIF&#8217;s NEW definition of enrollment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked in high schools for many years and as far as enrollment goes, the understanding has always been that once a student has REGISTERED and they&#8217;re in the new school&#8217;s computer they&#8217;ve ENROLLED.  Then that student is okay to participate in summer programs and the new school&#8217;s coaching staff may communicate with that student and family.</p>
<p>The Watsons registered Martin Babovic in March?  And the Judge determined there was Random placement and no prior contact with Babovic . . . what is the issue of him playing a summer contest with CDM in Hungary?</p>
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